trend snоши ve toward increasing соmрlеxіty 1 measure for insects and diseases. The multiple within which this can become a reality. In study pact must be considered; detailed population ana many control attempts; life tables should be use ing mortality factors; stand life tables should effect; and natural control agents should be a forester must look for the management procedur plexity, and therefore stability, as possible. The f thinking ecologically in his search for control m control generally. Scientific insect control involv potential control situation. The approach to con much broader base and decisions are going to b if all of the potential uses of the forest are consid

Senator CHURCH. Thank you, gentlemen Let us go to lunch at this time.

The hearing will take up again at 2 o'clo (Whereupon, at 12:55 p.m. the subcomm at 2 p.m. on the same day.)

AFTERNOON SESSIO

Senator METCALF (presiding). The subc I have received two telegrams, one from News for its report on the Forest Service a about the same tenor that "The Selling of cized. And I have also received a telegram Hamilton, Mont.

They will be made a part of the record. (The telegrams referred to follow :)

[TELEGRAMS]

Hon. LEE METCALF,

U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C.:

Last nights report by Richard Threlkeld on W a biased attack on the Forest Service and the tin The CBS team was in the Bitterroot Valley las one in the Forest Service in order to get a differe sented by the reporter and the environmentalist he

you for the Bolle report regarding Forest Service activities and Senate Interior subcommittee hearings now in session. nians many of us have long been aware the Bitterroot Fore g been dumping grounds for poor qualified personnel who co grade on other forests. These foresters reputations follow th c dogs. I do hope Mr. Metcalf that you will not be so engros unctioning of the Forest Service that you completely overlook ring of this Agency. Otherwise how would we have such poo nel in high places. We can't blame all of this on the absorpt oups. We can however realize the Forest Service uses its o cies in the patronage promotion of Forest Service employees vice supervisor stated "a sponsor is a necessity for promotion vice." Does this, Mr. Metcalf, appear to you to be the use of t n system as outlined by the Civil Service Commission as regar promotions in Region 1, perhaps this is the cause of the necess nvestigation. Before you withdraw completely from this heari see fit to recommend a complete internal investigation of perso Region 1.

G. R. BOYER.

ETCALF. The next witness from Montana is Mr. Richar om Victor, Mont.

s good to have people from Victor and Gardner.

OF RICHARD SCHLOEMER, VICTOR, MONT., A FORME I OF THE FOREST SERVICE IN COLORADO AN

EMER. Thank you.

ke to thank you for being able to come

ETCALF. I am going to start off by again reminding yo s are aware that there is no pain quite like that of a peech. We all realize how painful it is, but if we are goin h this list of witnesses, we have to have summaries. You ent will be printed in the record.

EMER. Thank you.

ed for 5 years in Bitterroot and within 10 miles of you Stevensville, Mont., I am getting quite used to walking and introducing myself as from Bitterroot. Lately whe myself they take two steps back and say, there is another Bitterroot rabble-rousers.

for it by speaking out.

The areas that I have been involved in in root-I should say in these different areas y have probably been more responsible as an in cutting that has taken place in the Bitterro whole time, and I bought most of the sales, b Co., and the Conner Lumber Co.

I have logged in the Bitterroot National now has heard of.

I have had sales at the head of Rock Cre trout stream, and logging on the Beaverhea headwaters of the Big Hole River, another I was also involved in the Magruder Corric I am not going to go into all the philoso estry. I think we have pretty well covered the There are just a few points I want to br hope that some investigation of these thing near future.

One that maybe the general public are not some of the Senators are not, one of the mai up a few times is the roads. We wonder wh I think we have use costs. All I am doing is did not pick any particular sale. I will thr people digest them.

A typical sale in Bitterroot is the one I had 8 million board feet on it. The Forest Se sold, and with the stumpage there would be U.S. Treasury, or for use as timber. Howe we found out that there was a $96,000 road pr Now, this question was raised: What was in lieu of stumpage to the purchaser to build remove the timber. The road was built, this and now we are talking about only possib $150,000.

60-209-71-pt. 29′′

Is that cost $90,000 could have been just as well built 30-some thousand dollars, I wouldn't quote it exactly, th a few shortcuts-and I do not mean hurting the env ould have been built for a lot less.

a point, in my career anyway-and since I studied for most of my life and all my time on forestry-when I g a timber sale, I have never in the last year or two both uch time looking at the timber, because we were tal s. This is what these timber companies bid on, is the ber. The timber is pretty easy to analyze if you have of it in certain areas. But the roads become big quest awful lot of money, you can see, it would almost pay fo mber.

point I want to inject here is logging. What we are do ng into a lot poorer stand of timber, less volume per a These figures and now that I do not work for indu em I can throw out-before I was strictly told never to on cost-but it startled me, because I have been respons f so-called gyppo loggers to go broke, it is that simple. cannot log the type of timber that we are logging on Bit nd make a profit. And I can substantiate this later if a s me to with figures.

e a very good example of a sale, one of the ones that it in Mr. Burk's book, The White Stallion. And in sev les there were terrific erosion problems. That is where ed problem started. At that time the logging cost-and sawn, which is a subsidiary of the Intermountain Co.00 per thousand to log this. This is from stump to mill. we will just throw in a quick $30 million cost, which wo ccurate, I would say. And it would give a total of $95 to a board. This was the average selling price at that ti is was the final comment. The average selling price at t only $85,000 per thousand. They were working at a c company relation here

other point, is there was a fair market-it was not last ye or 3 years ago-how can a lumber company then mak -u cannot keep logging forever losing $10.000 a thousa simple mathematics. However, on this particular sale the

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Douglas-fir or spruce that has been cut an And when I say success, I do not mean a g is on the ground, I mean a tree that is go Service says it will, will it grow, will it r year rotation.

I amagine I have traveled thousands of every plantation, I am quite convinced I h one that has been successful. There aren't a

I am not a scientist like Dr. Curry, bu finger on this, because this has something think it is a lot deeper than just a matter of of survival, the trees are there, they are growing, they will not grow into the type

People ask me, since I am speaking for I have been able to talk man to man to p solution? Because this is why we are all h kind of answer, we cannot have yes and n with something. The only thing I can say possibly, we are going to have to have som to have to not do much clear cutting, and s imagine we are going to have to have a sub we have to have lumber. And we will hav higher cost than in the past. And this may sure I cannot pass the final judgment as to But I am sure that this is one line that we r 15 years of experience of trying to come up and it is completely impossible.

But this is how I feel. That is the only rea vidual, is to try to inject some of these things Thank you.

Senator METCALF. As I went through page 6 of your prepared statement you t industry. You have suggested this before, b that perhaps there are sales tailored to a c