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in the House; because, if it were to be set' Jurisdiction Bill and the Unlawful Oaths up as a precedent, the decision of any ma- Bill, had become law.
There was, jority of the House might be reversed at then, the Assurances Registration Bill, three o'clock in the morning by a minority the Births and Deaths Registration Bill taking advantage of an accidental oppor- (which proposed to make policemen registunity for doing mischief. The right hon. trars), the Bastardy Bill, the Poor Law Baronet was, in his opinion, to some ex-Officers Superannuation Bill, the County tent responsible for what had been done Surveyors Bill—a useless measure, the obon Friday night, because he should have ject of which seemed to be to transfer the protested against the attempt of a minority examination of surveyors to London, the opposite to obtain an accidental triumph. Weights and Measures Bill, the Fairs and On the 20th of June, the Committee on Markets Bill, and the Poor Removal Bill. the Poor Relief Bill passed a clause limit. Among the seventeen Bills in the hands ing the number of proxies to be held by a of private Members were the Marriages single individual to ten; but at daybreak Bill of the hon. and learned Member for on the morning of the 5th of July the Belfast (Sir Hugh Cairns), the Donations minority, who had been defeated on the and Bequests Bill of the hon. Member for 20th of June, succeeded by a surprise in Waterford—a Bill which had also been getting the word “ ten" struck out, and taken up by the Government—the Grand "twenty" inserted instead. He submitted Jury Secretaries Bill, which was withthat this was a matter which affected the drawn; the Land Debentures Bill, which general conduct of the business of the had been upset by the Chief Secretary House. It all arose, as he could show, having gone over to the Opposition side out of the horrid mode in which the Irish of the House, where he wished the right business was conducted. On Tuesday last hon. Baronet had stopped; the Debentures there was a morning sitting for Irish on Land Bill, which was as like the Land business only—the business on the paper Debentures Bill as live fish was to fish being the Poor Relief Bill. There were alive; the Drainage Bill, the Fisheries other Bills for the evening sitting, includ- Bill of Mr. Hennessy, the Elections for ing the Weights and Measures Bill, the Counties Bill, and the Bills of Exchange Markets and Fairs Bill, the Births and Bill, brought in by one of the hon. Members Deaths Registration Bill, and the County for the City of Dublin; the Chancery ReguSurveyors Bill. On Thursday the Poor lation Bill, the Tralee Savings Bank Bill, Relief Bill and the County Surveyors the Irish Barristers Bill, and one or two Bill were again on the paper; but no others. In consequence of the necessity of thing was done with them, although attending to this mass of business, he had the Irish Members were watching them been obliged to give up all English business. for twelve hours and a half. On Friday, His whole time was taken up, in fact, in at the day sitting, the Irish Members endeavouring to obstruct dangerous legiswere kept in attendance, waiting for the lation. He hoped the right hon. Baronet Drainage Bill, which was now a Govern- the Chief Secretary for Ireland would ment measure, because they had entered confine his attempts at legislation to the into a compromise with the hon. and gal- Poor Removal Bill and to the better porlant Member for Limerick (Colonel Dick. tion of the Fairs and Markets Bill. In son), and had consented to take up the his opinion the right hon. Baronet was the Bill on consideration of the important wrong person in the wrong place. He Motion on the subject of the Irish Con-thought he should transfer his talents to stabulary having been withdrawn. The some other place, where they would be Fisheries Bill was on the paper for the more appreciated. During the last thirty evening sitting, but no progress was made years there had been seventeen Chief with either measure. There were
no Secretaries. They were all still alive, and fewer than fifteen Government Bills, none he hoped that so far the right hon. Baro. of which, with the exception of the Poor net would follow their example, and live Relief Bill, were of public advantage. a long time too. He, however, hoped that There were, in addition, seventeen other the noble Lord who had thrust the right Irish Bills promoted by private Members, hon. Baronet upon the country would resome of which were good and some bad. move him again. The noble Lord gave The Peace Preservation Bill was a most him, and perhaps the noble Lord would mischievous measure of the Government. take him away. In that event, the right This Bill, together with the Summary hon. Baronet would be entitled to com
pensation for all he had gone through, / night, to remain until a late hour in order and therefore he hoped he would be ele- to adrance business as far as possible. No vated to the rank of Baron Tamworth, doubt a great number of changes in the or, perhaps, to the more appropriate office of Irish Secretary had taken place distinction of Earl of Donnybrook. He within the last half century, and therefore (Mr. Scully) had attended in his place if the same system were to continue his night after night, at the risk of his life. tenure of office would indeed be short. He If he had not the constitution of half-a- wished he could say the same thing of the dozen individuals, he would have had to hon. and learned Member for Cork. If . follow the example of the hon. and learn that were the case, the hon. and learned ed Member for Mallow (Mr. Longfield), Gentleman's tenure of office would certainand obtain leave of absence for the rest of ly expire at the end of the Session, and the Session. The noble Lord at the head that House would not have the pleasure of of the Government generally made his ap- seeing him in the next Session. Now, in pointments with much tact, but why he reference to the Bills upon the Paper. sent the right hon. Baronet to Ireland was The Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill, he trusted, a profound mystery. The fact was, that would receive a third reading that night. the Chief Secretary had set the whole The County Surveyors (Ireland) Bill was country in a flame. He (Mr. Scully) a measure of great importance, and one dreaded the coming recess, when the right which was much wanted in Ireland. [Mr. hon. Baronet would have uninterrupted SCULLY: No, no!] The Fairs and Markets possession of Ireland, and could carry on (Ireland) Bill, he had at one time thought his proceedings without any Parliamentary would be passed this Session. It was a control. Let the right hon. Baronet make measure which had been much discussed, himself scarce in Ireland, and he would and one which would work a great deal have his (Mr. Scully's) best wishes. He of good in Ireland. He, however, did not could not deny that the right hon. Ba- now think it possible to pass it through ronet had great natural talents; and if | Parliament this Session, but there were he turned his abilities in another direc- two principles contained in the Bill which tion, he would succeed better; but he was he hoped would be adopted by the House not the man to judge of the wants, wishes, in another form. Those principles were and feelings of the people of Ireland. It the establishment of a uniform standard was with regret he found himself obliged of weights and measures in Ireland, and to make a statement of this nature, and he the abolition of the charges for weighing only did so on the promptings of urgent in the markets. He proposed to introduty. He had never done so before, and duce two clauses bearing upon both points he hoped he would never have to do so in the Weights and Measures (Ireland) again. To put himself in order, he now Bill. The adoption of two such principles begged to move the adjournment of the would, he thought, prove of the greatest House.
advantage to the smail farmers in Ireland SIR ROBERT PEEL said, he was al- as well as to all other persons interested in ready obliged to his hon. and learned the matter. He therefore proposed to drop Friend for his great courtesy towards him, the Fairs and Markets (Ireland) Bill-à and for the unequivocal terms in which he step, he confessed, he took with the greatwas good enough to refer to him in con- est reluctance. He did not think it would nection with his official duties during the be possible to proceed that night with the present Session of Parliament. He (Sir Weights and Measures (Ireland) Bill, but Robert Peel), however, did not think that he hoped he would be able to proceed the House generally, or the other hon. with the County Surveyors (Ireland) Bill Members from Ireland, would coincide in after the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill was the opinion of the hon. and learned Gen- disposed of. tleman, that he had manifested any inten- Motion, by leave, withdrawn. tion of proceeding unfairly with the Irish business he had introduced. If the hon.
THE STAFFORDSHIRE MILÍTIA. and learned Gentleman had been kept to a late hour at night waiting for those mea
QUESTION. sures to be brought on, he did not suffer MR. MAGUIRE said, he rose to ask that inconvenience alone. He (Sir Robert the Secretary of State for War, Whether Peel) was also a sufferer in that respect, he has any objection to produce a Copy of having been also compelled, night after the Resignation of Nicholas C. Whyte,
Surgeon of the 2nd King's Own Stafford
THE TIIAMES EMBANKMENT. shire Regiment of Militia, whose resignation appeared gazetted in the London Ga
Report of the Commissioners the
he "MR. COWPER said, he was authorized
THAMES EMBANKMENT BILL. zette, and either through an inadvertence on the part of that officer or an error of
(BILL NO. 162.] COMMITTEE. the press, it was incorrectly stated that
Order for Committee read. Mr. Whyte had resigned.
House in Committee. MR. MAGUIRE said, he wished to
Clause 34 (Plans and Elevations of know whether the right hon. Gentleman Buildings fronting River to be submitted would have any objection to produce the to First Commissioner of Works). Correspondence relating to the removal of
LORD JOHN MANNERS moved that Mr. Whyte?
that clause be struck out. The Committee Sir GEORGE LEWIS said, that if the hon. Member would specify the docu- were, perhaps, aware that this Clause ments he wanted, he should be glad to the Bill, and was only carried in the
did not appear in the original draft of consider whether they could be laid on Select Committee by a majority of one. the table.
He objected to it on principle. It con
tained a principle utterly opposed to that BLEACHING AND DYEING WORKS ACT which had hitherto guided Parliament in AMENDMENT BILL.-QUESTION.
dealing with measures connected with LORD JOHN MANNERS said, he other departments of the State. Parlia. wished to ask the President of the Board ment had wisely sought to establish reof Trade, Whether this Bill, which stood sponsibility by concentrating authority. last on the Paper for that night, was a Go- The present clause, however, proposed to vernment measure, and when he proposes give the First Commissioner of Works to move the second reading ?
power over the Metropolitan Board in reMR. MILNER GIBSON said, that lation to certain works connected with although he had been asked to take the proposed embankment. That was a charge of this Bill, it was not to be re- species of double government or authority garded as a Government measure. He which Parliament had abolished in resehad been given to understand that the rence to the War Department, with reBill had received the assent of all parties, spect to India, and in other departments. and as it had already passed through the He was sorry to differ with his hon. other House, he had undertaken to see that Friend the Member for Dorsetshire (Mr. it should be duly considered. He had no K. Seymer), who was its author, as to the objection to postpone the Motion for the merits of this clause. To say the least of it, second reading until Thursday next. it would establish a principle which would
MR. ROEBUCK said, he wanted the necessarily place the First Commissioner of right hon. Gentleman to explain what he Public Works, in an invidious position. meant by “all parties," for most assuredly The Metropolitan Board of Works, who the working men had not given their as- were charged with the execution of a most sent to the Bill.
gigantic undertaking, were nevertheless MR. MILNER GIBSON said, he had to be held incompetent to decide upon the been informed that the measure had re- colour of the seat, or the design of the ceived the assent of all parties con- drinking fountains to be placed on the line cerned.
of embankment. Now, in his opinion, Mr. Maguire
the Board were much more likely to study sanction, first of the Metropolitan Board of the public taste than any gentleman filling Works, and secondly of the First Commisthe office of Chief Commissioner, whose sioner of Works. One might sanction, the interference in such matters would very other might refuse, and thus there might probably be viewed as vexatious and incon- be a conflicting authority, which might venient. The Metropolitan Board of Works lead to confusion, delay, and expense, was now intrusted with the execution of which might prevent the progress of the some of the largest and most important en works for years. He protested against gineering works of modern times. Upon this kind of piecemeal legislation; and, what grounds, then, should it be controlled however it might have been some years in carrying out the embellishments of the ago, he thought there was nothing in the intended embankment by the unnecessary present circumstances of the metropolis to interference of the First Commissioner. justify the House of Commons in frittering He contended that nothing had been done away responsibility or in imposing a vexaby the Metropolitan Board since they had tious restraint on the fair action of the becn enabled by the Legislature to proceed Metropolitan Board of Works, whose with the most important engineering work members, whether elected by the best of modern times to warrant the suspicion constituency or not, were the legitimate that in carrying out the Thames Embank- representatives of the taxpayers of the ment they would propose anything in the metropolis, who were carrying out and way of ornament which would necessarily paying for a great metropolitan improvesubject them to the vexationis interference ment. He begged to move the omission of the First Commissioner. It was im- / of that clause. possible to say that they had not fully and Lord FERMOY entirely concurred in satisfactorily discharged the great duties what had been stated by the noble Lord intrusted to them, and it was too bad to opposito. He could not be a party to this assume that they were unequal to the or- clause, either in the sense of passing an namentation, however slight, of the few indirect censure upon the Metropolitan miles of cmbankment which they were to Board of Works, or for more substantial be called upon to construct out of metro- reasons. The works were to be carried politan funds, and for which they were to on by funds supplied by the coal and wine be held responsible. But the clause was duties. If the land reclaimed from the not only against all principle—it was also river were saddled by too many condiagainst all cxperience. The veto imposed tions, its value would be proportionately upon the Metropolitan Board in 1855 pro- reduced, because persons proposing to beduced nothing but ill-will, jealousy, liti- come lessees would take this into account, gation, controversy, and failure ; and in and offer a smaller sum. He congratu 1858 Parliament was obliged to abolish it, lated the noble Lord opposite on his able though not before it had cost the public and fair vindication of the character of some £12,000 or £13,000. Since its abo- the Metropolitan Board of Works as a relition the Metropolitan Board had done its presentative body, and he hoped that the work well and satisfactorily. He objected First Commissioner of Works would get to the clause, moreover, because it was up in his place and inform the Committee in direct antagonism with the preamble, that in his opinion the matter might be which declared the expediency of intrust- safely left in the hands of the body ing the Metropolitan Board with the exe- which had so far successfully carried out cution of the proposed embankment and the stupendous works connected with the all the works connected with it. The drainage of the metropolis, and with so preamble, in effect, stated that it was ex- little unpopularity among those who had pedient the Metropolitan Board of Works to defray the expense. should be empowered to form a certain MR. KER SEYMER begged permission embankment on the Thames from Black- to clear the First Commissioner from all friars Bridge to Westminster Bridge. participation in the introduction of this Under the 35th clause a lessee was com- clause. When the Bill was referred to the pelled, most properly, to obtain the sanction Select Committee, he (Mr. Ker Seymer) of the Metropolitan Board of Works to the went carefully over it, and arrived at the plans of any building he might propose to conclusion that some such clause was nccrect. But under the joint operation of cessary. He therefore proposed it for the the two clauses, the 34th and the 35th, an adoption of the Committee; and though unfortunate lessee must obtain the double he was sorry to be opposed by one who VOL, CLXVII. (THIRD SERIES.]
spoke on these matters with the authority ber. With respect to this question, the of the noble Lord, he had not been con- House of Commons had year after year vinced by his arguments, and should decided that it would not contribute any. therefore now take the sense of the Com- thing towards the improvement of the memittee on its retention. He must add, tropolis out of the Consolidated Fund: the however, that when he first introduced the works were therefore to be constructed by clause, it was with no wish to disparage funds raised upon the metropolis by the the character or the usefulness of the wine and coal duties; and though it might Metropolitan Board of Works, or to in- be true that every one who ordered wine terfere vexatiously with their functions. from a London wine merchant did to that He thought that this was an exceptional extent contribute, yet the wine duties case, quite unusual, quite different, and formed a very small portion indeed. The quite distinct from the operations which great bulk of the fund was raised by the generally fell under the control of that coal dues, and was therefore directly conbody. There were three objects in view tributed by the inhabitants of the me-namely, a proper place for the low- tropolis represented by the Metropolitan level sewer, improved communication, and Board of Works. Besides this argument the ornamentation of the metropolis. The for giving that Board full and final control first two objects fell legitimately within over the works, he (Sir J. Shelley) objectthe control of the Metropolitan Board of) ed to giving a veto to the First CommisWorks; the last should, he thought, be missioner, for the reason that Governments brought under the control of the Govern- in this country were not rery long-lived, ment and the House. He did not think and each First Commissioner would have that the Metropolitan Board had any cause his own taste in architecture; so that they to complain, seeing that the works were would be able by the difference in style to not, in fact, to be completed from funds tell when an admirer of the Gothic style raised from the ratepayers, but from was in office, and when an advocate of ihe the funds provided by the coal and wine Italian exercised the veto. He trusted that duties. Every man, therefore, who order the House would support the Amendment ed his wine of a London wine merchant of the noble Lord. He would put it to contributed in some degree to the fund. the Members for any large city or borough, He thought the men of taste were dan- such as Liverpool, Manchester, or Birgerous; but there was a class still more mingham, how they would like such a dangerous, and that was the men of no proposal as that contained in this clausetaste. He thought the men of no taste namely, to give the First Commissioner of quite as expensive as the men of taste, Works control over any local improreand more dangerous. He therefore trusted ments made from local funds. that the clause would be assented to by
LORD ROBERT CECIL said, he enterthe Committee.
taived no very high opinion either of the Sir JOHN SHELLEY said, this was Board of Works or of the Metropolitan almost the only point upon which he had Board so far as related to questions of ventured to differ from his hon. Friend economy or taste. The proposal under (Mr. K. Seymer) in the Committee. With discussion was, he might add, simply one regard to the absence of any opposition to to saddle the citizens of London with the the clause in the Committee by the counsel payment of a certain amount of money for the Metropolitan Board of Works, it which the right hon. Gentleman the First arose from the feeling, that as the First Commissioner was to be at liberty to spend Commissioner of Works was Chairman of proposal to which, as one who lived the Committee, it was rather a delicate principally in the metropolis, he for one thing to oppose his having the veto given decidedly objected. It was, in his opinion, him by the clause. For his own part, quite an alarming power with which to he regretted that the clause was not invest the right hon. Gentleman at the opposed by the counsel for the Board, expense of the coal.consumers of this large because, had it been, he believed the city, to say that he should be able to put clause would never have received their his veto on works of utility merely because sanction. He thanked the noble Lord they did not suit his own particular archiopposite (Lord J. Manners) for the manner tectural views. What, he should like to in which he had brought the question for- know, would the hon. Members for Manward. It came much better from his noble chester or Birmingham think of such a Friend than from any metropolitan Mem- scheme if it were proposed to give it effect
Mr. Ker Seymer