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where it had existed the longest, the corrup- Naples, and the town and neighbourhood tion had gone deepest, and was the most had, in fact, been left in the bands of difficult to eradicate. It was proved by the National Guard alone. All over the this very delay in bringing persons to trial. country, even in the most disturbed disThe magistrates, notoriously open to cor- tricts, these National Guards were enrupt influences, could not be trusted to rolled, and represented, with very few exadminister justice, and where they had to ceptions, the respectable and the educated employ old and corrupt agents, injustice classes. What could be better evidence of must in some cases occur. It must be to the feeling of the people of Italy and of the interest of every Government to acce. their liking for the existing Government ? lerate the process of improvement as much Having been in the country for several as possible, and encourage Italy to make months past, and having met with every the most rapid strides in every species of class of society, all said — merchants, material and moral development. He workmen, politicians, professors, down to wished their Lordships could have seen, as the very fishermen and steamboat crew, he had seen, the different spirit which now that to return to the Bourbons was an impervaded that country in comparison with possibility—was too horrible to be thought its state under its former rulers. In con- of ; while a French prince or a republic sequence of the extension of railway and found not much greater favour. Although steamboat communication, a vast improve there were difficulties in the establishment ment had taken place, and North and South of a Government like that of Italy, alItaly might be considered as portions of though there might be defects of adminisone great and united nation. There were tration, and discontent at thosc defects, no longer Neapolitans, Tuscans, Piedmon- this was no more than might be expected. tese, but members of one united country, He believed that throughout Italy the disa country fit to hold up its head in the con- position to return to the Bourbons was gress of nations, and regarded there as much less than the feeling in favour of the among the most powerful, and the most re- Stuarts which existed in this country after spected. He trusted, therefore, that the the Revolution ; and if his noble Friend advice so wisely offered by his noble Friend had been in the country, as he had, and (the Earl of Ellenborough) would be taken, had seen the present feeling of the people, and that henceforward Italy, having been he would have returned a devoted friend of recognised by France, Russia, and Prussia, the existing Government, instead of singwould be treated as a great and indepen. ing now the last dying song of the Bourdent nation. As to the South of Italy, a bons. false impression had been created in the THE MARQUESS OF NORMANBY in republic mind as to the extent of brigandage, ply said, that he had at first been much and it had been urged that its existence puzzled to know from what sources his

a proof of the general dissatisfac-noble Friend had collected his information ; tion of the people. But what were the but he was convinced now that his noble facts ? The brigands, throughout the Friend was very little acquainted with what Neapolitan States did not exceed a thou- was going on in Italy. Only one thousand sand in number, and out of the fifteen brigands in the kingdom of Naples! The different provinces only five were infested British Consul had last year reported that by them. And what sort of persons com- there was only five hundred ; and after posed these brigand bands? Why, in twelve months' experience had he tried to many cases liberated galley-slaves ; and he persuade his noble Friend that there were believed it was a fact that the noble Mar- now only one thousand ? Had his noble quess's friends, the Bourbons, had not Friend ever inquired how many times that found a single officer of the old Bourbon number had been shot without trial ? Why, army to command these men. No doubt was his noble Friend aware that 60,000 there were some foreign officers among Piedmontese soldiers had been sent into them-Belgians, Spaniards, some French, the various provinces to suppress the state and some Irish ; but when people were of brigandage, and that these had been led away with the notion that because so reduced by contests with the brigands, this brigandage existed the people of the sickness, and other causes, that only 25,000 Neapolitan States were dissatisfied with now remained? And then, as to the Nathe change of Government, let them re- tional Guard, was his noble Friend aware member that there had been times when that within the last week such had been not more than 1,000 troops were left in the march of discontent in that kingdom

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that General La Marmora upon one occa- within the prisons of Sicily had not been
sion endeavoured to collect the National distinctly disproved, and deserved the ridi-
Guard, and out of 20,000 only 1,200 сule attached to the elaborate charge. A
appeared ; whereupon, counselled by this woodcut of this cap had headed an article
defeat, he did not on the next day repeat in a Ministerial paper, calling upon the
the attempt ? Was he aware of the great electors on the day of the dissolution in
finaucial disorder which existed, and of 1857 to support & Government which
the great increase of taxation ? His noble alone prevented the use of such instru-
Friend had spoken a great deal about his ments of torture. It turned out that that
personal observation of the state of Italy. engraving was a facsimile of one which
It was true that his noble Friend had been bad appeared in a report on English
in Italy, and he had not ; but there were prison discipline made by French com-
other ways of obtaining accurate notions missioners sent over by Louis Philippe.
of what was going on-namely, by com- That cap of silence was invented not at
municating withi well-informed people. It Palermo, but at Manchester; and not for
might be as well to read other newspapers the purpose of suppressing Italian patriots,
besides the Government gazettes. It did but for putting a check on the eloquence
not follow, because a person had been in of such of the Lancashire witches as had
Italy, and had looked out of his carriage the misfortune to be in prison.
window as he passed through the country, The Earl OF HARROWBY said, lie
that he should know what was transpiring did not know, vor did he believe, that the
With regard to the advice that Italy should Piedmontese army in Southern Italy had
be left to itself as well as other countries, suffered to the extent described by the
he cordially agreed in it; but had that noble Marquess in their contests with the
been the policy of the English Government brigands.
during the last twelve years ? Why, the

Motion agreed to.
English Government had been in the habit
of reading sermons to the King of Naples,
and of addressing him in despatches so GAME LAW AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILL.
threatening that everybody said, “ If you
wish to do anything, this is not the way to

(BILL NO. 158.] COMMITTEE. do it.” He only wished that the advice Ilouse in Committee (according to

question had been followed by the Eng. Order). lish Government during the last twelve Clause 1 (Constables may apprehend years. The noble Earl the Foreign Secre- without Warrant in certain Cases). tary had attributed the present condition

LORD POLWARTII moved to strike of Italy to the consequences of the misgovernment of the last dynasty, and he out the word “England” and to insert said that some of the functionaries of the tending the operation of the Act to Scot

the words “Great Britain” thereby ex

land. in office. That statement, however, had

THE EARL OP DERBY opposed the been contradicted by his noble Friend who last addressed their Lordships, and who restrict the Bill to the simple object it

Amendment. It was most desirable to had said that it was impossible any one of bad in view, namely, the suppression of the functionaries of the old Government should have been so left to retain office gangs of armed night poachers. It might under the new order of things. But, if endanger the Bill in the other House if it not one of the old functionaries had been the stringency of the Game Laws.

were made into a measure for increasing left, how could the present state of things be traced to the old Government? If his after the words “Great Britain,” to add

THE EARL OF CLANCARTY moved noble Friend had really been in Italy for the words " and Ireland,” so that the Act five months, and had read any other papers should estend to the whole United Kingthan those under the special patronage of

dom. the Piedmontese Government, how was it that he had heard no charges of malad. After short discussion, the Question ministration and corruption made against being put to omit "England" and insert the great functionaries' He was, indeed, “Great Britain and Ireland,” surprised to hear the Secretary of State refer again to the old story of the “cap of

Amendment agreed to. silence,” as if its application at any time Clause, as amended, agreed to.

The Marquess of Normanby

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On Question, Whether the said Clause moved to add a clause inflicting a penalty be there inserted ? Resolved in the Negaon any person who should buy eggs of

tive, game from any person other than the owner of the soil on which the eggs are

Bill passed, and sent to the Commons. laid or a person duly licensed to sell

House adjourned at a quarter before game.

Eight o'clock, till To-morrow,

half-past Ten o'clock. On Question, Resolved in the Negative.

The Bill then passed through the Conmittee, with numerous Amendments.

Report of Amendments to be received Tomorrow (Bill No. 164].


Monday, July 7, 1862. COURTS OF THE CHURCH OF SCOTLAND Minutes.]—Public Bills.-1° Ilighland Roads BILL--[Bill No. 153.]

and Bridges; Savings Banks (Ireland); Divorco

Court; Indemnity.

2o Turnpike Acts Continuance; Turnpike Trusts Bill read 3* (according to Order).

Arrangements ; Duchy of Cornwall Lands (ComThe EARL OF DALHOUSIE said, that

pletion of Arrangements).

30 Poor Relief (Ireland) (No. 2). the Bill as it stood would give the Estab. lished Church of Scotland a power of sum

JOURNEYMEN BAKERS. moning witnesses which it had never be

QUESTION. fore possessed ; and he believed that such a measure would create a great deal of

MR. KINNAIRD said, he would beg to ill-feeling in that country. He therefore ask the Secretary of State for the Home mored to insert after Clause 4, a clause Department, When a Report may be exthat no person should be compelled to give pected from Mr. Seymour Tremenheere, evidence or produce any documents before who was appointed in July, 1861, a Comthe Courts of the Established Church of missioner to inquire into the complaints of Scotland, unless he be in communion with the Journeymen Bakers of London; and that Church.

whether it will be or is intended to extend LORD BELHAVEN said, he could not the inquiry as promised, if required, to accede to the proviso, as it was most in Scotland and Ireland ? quisitorial.

SIR GEORGE GREY said, that Mr. THE MARQUESS OPBREADALBANE Tremenheere's Report had been received said, he was opposed both to the proviso by the Government on Friday last, and and the Bill. A more impolitic measure

would be in the printers' hands immehad never been introducci. One clause

diately. The Government proposed to provided, that if a libel were brought extend the inquiry to other places if it against a clergyman, he was to be deposed

should be necessary; but the facts were until his case was heard. This was a

so similar that it was probable that those most unjust provision. IIe trusted the

interested in the matter, upon receiving Bill would be thrown out in the other the Report, would not think further inHouse.

quiry necessary. The DUKE OF ARGYLL supported the Bill, the necessity for which he said was

GOVERNMENT OF INDIA-MOSQUES AND demanded by the fact, that if the minister

HINDOO TEMPLES.-QUESTION. of a Scotch parish was guilty of mincon. MR. KINNAIRD said, he would beg duct which justified his suspension, lie to ask the Secretary of State for India, could not, owing to the long and tedious What has been done by the Government process which had to be gone through, be of India, in pursuance of Lord Stanley's judicially silenced for perhaps two years. Despatch of the 24th day of February, The Bill, however, declared that the 1859, on the subject of rescinding certain Church Court had the power to prevent Laws now in force in India which connect such a man discharging his functions as the Government of India with the special a clergymau pending the result of the care of Lands belonging to Mohammedan legal inquiry.

Mosques and Hindoo Temples?

SIR CHARLES WOOD said, that no al- l it would be included in the Returns in teration had actually been made in the future. Laws referred to by the hon. Gentleman, though two Bills had been introduced into CHAPLAINCY OF THE YOUGHAL UNION. the Governor General's Council on the sub

QUESTION. ject, one of which was under consideration. MR. BUTT said, he rose to ask the

Chief Secretary for Ireland, When the STEAM PACKET PIER AT IIOLYHEAD. Youghal Union, ordered by this House on

Returns relative to the Chaplaincy of the QUESTION.

the 6th day of June, renewing a similar Mr. H. A. HERBERT said, he wished order of last Session, will be laid upon the to ask the Secretary to the Admiralty, table of the House ? When it is the intention of the Govern

SIR ROBERT PEEL said, the Return ment to proceed with the works on the was a very voluminous one; but the Poor Steam Packet Pier at Holyhead, for which Law Commission stated that it was in money has been voted by Parliament this course of preparation, and would be ready Session?

to be laid on the table in about a fort. LORD CLARENCE PAGET said, it was night. the intention of Her Majesty's Government to proceed at once with the works at Holy

LAND TENURE-INDIA.-QUESTION. head, that is to say, with the strengthening MR. SMOLLETT said, he would beg to of the pier and putting the roof upon it. ask the Secretary of State for India, WheThe Government thought it due to the ther any Resolution has recently been passengers, both to and from Ireland, that taken to introduce a permanent settlement The work should be at once taken in hand of Land in India; and, if so, whether he without waiting for the conclusion of the will be prepared to lay upon the table of negotiations between the London and the House Copy of the Instructions forNorth-Western and the Dublin Steam warded to the Governor General for that Packet Companies. He hoped, when the purpose; and, if he is prepared to fix a pier was completed, that the packets would day for introducing his annual Statement keep their time.

on Indian Finance ?


hon. Gentleman brought to my notice some MR. ASPINALL TURNER said, he settlement of Land in India, I was not

time ago the question of the permanent would beg to ask the President of the able to give an answer on the subject, Board of Trade, Whether (seeing by the inasmuch as it was under the consideration Return recently made that the quantity of the Indian Council. I am now happy of Foreign Paper imported is far more

to state that they have come to the conimportant than the quantity of Rags im-clusion to which the hon. Gentleman came ported, or the quantity of Paper exported, long before that it would be for the both of which appear in the Returns of benefit of India that the system of permaTrade and Navigation) he will order that nent settlement of Land should be graduin future the quantity of Foreign Paper ally introduced. I shall be happy to lay imported shall appear in the usual monthly on the table the papers on the subject, Returns ?

With reference to the second question, I MR. MILNER GIBSON said, the list hope to be able to make the Indian finanof articles enumerated in the monthly Recial statement on Monday next. turns was revised every year, and, should the quantity of foreign paper imported continue to be as large as at present, it

IRISH BUSINESS.-OBSERVATIONS. would be specified in the Returns. For MR. SCULLY said, that as he saw the the last few months the importation of right hon. Baronet the Chief Secretary for foreign paper had been very fluctuating, Ireland in his place, he wished to ask being in one month only 2,000 cwt., and him a question in reference to the Irish in another 38,000 cwt. It was difficult at business before Parliament, and more espresent to decide whether it was of suffi- pecially with respect to the Bills which cient importance to take its place among appeared on the paper for that evening. the principal articles imported. But if the With a view to put himself in order, he importation continued at its present rate, would conclude by moving the adjourn

Mr. Kinnaird

ment of the House. The matter was a duce into it. The Weights and Measures very important one, not only as regarded Bill was an extraordinary and mischievous the convenience of the Irish Members, attempt at legislation. It appeared by but also as regarded the conduct of the the paper that there were notices to take Irish business. He hoped that the Eng- certain clauses out of the Markets and lish Members, who were anxious to get Fairs Bill, and insert them in the Weights to the Thames Embankment Bill, would and Measures Bill. [ Cries of " Order!” allow him a few moments for a matter of and “Chair!”] He appealed to hon. great interest to Ireland. He wanted to Gentlemen to allow him to proceed, and know distinctly and unequivocally from he would go at once to what occurred on the right hon. Baronet what he intended Friday night, or, more properly, at an to do with the four important Irish Bills early hour on Saturday morning: He was, which appeared upon the paper for that of course, also limited in speaking of this night, and which he had observed upon subject by the rules of the House, and he many papers-a fact which had brought would be the last person in the House to down the Irish Members night after night violate any of its rules or orders. This was to their extreme inconvenience and posi- the first time he had availed himself of the tive physical injury. The Bills he alluded privileges given by those rules to make a to were the Markets and Fairs Bill, the statement of this description, and he would Weights and Measures (Ireland) Bill, the not do so but that the circumstances were Poor Relief (Ireland) (No. 2) Bill, and the extraordinary and unusual. [“Order!”] County Surveyors Bill. The Markets He was quite at liberty to refer to what ocand Fairs Bill had been constantly set curred, although, as he was aware, he could down. It was originally brought on upon not quote the precise statements made by the 1st of May, contrary to what he con- the right hon. Baronet. The sitting of ceived to have been the understanding, at Friday was the very longest of the present a time when several Irish Members were Session. They had a day sitting, commencabsent, and on the day when the Greating at twelve o'clock, and by the records of Exhibition was opened. Since then it the House it appeared that they sat until had appeared, re-appeared, and disappear- a quarter to three o'clock; in fact, they ed, only to appear again. He did not sat continuously twelve hours and three complain of its being put down for that quarters. At half-past two o'clock in the night; but what he wanted to know was, morning attempts, and successful attempts, would it be brought on, or was it in- were made by the opposite side of the tended that there should be any result House to alter an important clause in the from it being put down? It might be Poor Law Bill, which had been adopted great sport to the right hon. Baronet, who after two or three months of discussion. lived hard by, who could postpone it, and That attempt was made in the absence of who knew at any hour of the evening hon. Members who took a deep interest in whether he intended to bring it on, but the subject, and decisions were come too who never communicated, directly or in which could not be altered while the Bill directly, anything that could be relied remained in that House. At the sitting on to any one on that side of the House. on the 29th of May, a very important It was out of courtesy to the right hon. question arose as to retaining the words Baronet that he took the course he was or otherwise." A long debate took now about to adopt, and which he admit. place on that occasion, and the words obted was an unusual one. The Irish Mem-jected to were ordered to be retained, bers had remained in attendance in the by 125 to 76, in a very full House for a House so long, night and day, that some morning sitting. That was a very emof them had succumbed to it, and had re- phatic expression of opinion; but, notturned to Ireland. He (Mr. Scully) had withstanding the decision so arrived at, it given notice of his intention to have the was on Friday night, or Saturday morning Markets and Fairs Bill re-committed, and last, suddenly, and by surprise-although, it was important to know what were the perhaps, not to the surprise of the right bona fide intentions of the right hon. Ba-hon. Baronet-reversed, after a rambling ronet with respect to that Bill. He had discussion of a few minutes, by a majority told them frequently during the last week of six. This was a matter which conthat it was his wish to proceed with it, cerned not merely Ireland — which was and he had placed on the paper certain more immediately affected by the decision Amendments which he wished to intro- —but also the whole conduct of business

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