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feiture of the article in reference to which would consent, on bringing up the report, fraud on the public was attempted to be to introduce a clause to protect the rights committed, were, he considered, insuffi- of the Cutlers' Company of Hallamshire, cient. He therefore proposed to insert in the county of York. words, to provide that all persons so of- Preamble agreed to. fending should be deemed guilty of a misdemeanour.

House resumed. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL said, that

Bill reported; as amended, to be conthe enactment in the clause did not at all sidered on Monday next, and to be put aside the character of the offence which printed (Bill 187]. the right hon. and learned Gentleman had described at common law. Its object was

OUR RELATIONS WITH PARAGUAY. to avoid the necessity of having to adduce

QUESTION. before a jury such evidence—which it was sometimes very difficult to get—as would Under Secretary of State for Foreign Af

Mr. MAGUIRE said, he rose to ask the satisfy them that the offence of cheating fairs, Whether it be not true that amicable at common law had been committed.

relations have been restored between this Amendment withdrawn.

Country and the Republic of Paraguay; Clause agreed to.

if so, whether there be any objection to Remaining clauses also agreed to. produce the Correspondence between the

Mr. ROEBUCK said, he then proposed authorities at Assumption and Mr. Thornthe insertion, in Section 1, of a provision ton, Her Majesty's Minister at Parana ; for the registration of trade marks. From and if any Report has been received from the want of such a registration his consti- Mr. Hutchinson, British Consul at Rosario, tuents suffered daily by the forgery of their in reference to the Cotton-growing capatrade marks to inferior goods. The Prus- bilities of that portion of the Rio Plata, sian manufacturers were driving the Eng

in accordance with the instructions of the lish out of the foreign market by intro- Foreign Office, co-operating with the Manducing worthless goods under the name

chester Cotton Supply Association ? and marks of English firms, thus bringing had been opened between Mr. Thornton

MR. LAYARD replied, that negotiations on them the character of inferior facturers. The Act was

and the President of the Republic of Para

a very useful one; but if its provisions were so extend- guay, which led to the hope that very ed as to embrace the registration of trade shortly, friendly relations would be remarks, it would be much more acceptable established between the two countries. As to the country as a protective measure.

yet the negotiations were only in progress; MR. MILNER GIBSON said, the Com- and, that being so, the Government could mittee to whom the Bill had been referred not lay the Papers on the table of the had well considered the question, and had House. Mr. Hutchinson had not yet income to the conclusion that, at present at spected the Cotton-growing districts. A least, it would not be expedient to attempt request had been made by Her Majesty's to establish a registration of trade marks. Government that he might be allowed to His objection to it was one of principle, inspect them; and when he had done so, he as he did not see why previous registra- would make a Report. tion of a mark should be made the condi.

MR. LIDDELL said, he wished to ask tion of obtaining a legal protection. The whether, in the negotiations which have forgery of a mark was like the forgery of taken place, the claims of British subjects a check on a bank. If an intent to de- for compensation for the serious losses fraud him was proved, a man was entitled they have suffered have been considered; to protection, without being put to the and, if so, whether those claims are to be expense of registration. He thought that met? a registration would be rather an impedi

MR. LAYARD said, he was rejoiced at ment to prosecution.

being able to say that there had been an Mr. ÉADFIELD supported the pro- lieved, the claimants had agreed to accept.

offer to pay a certain sum, which, he beposal for a registration.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
In reply to a question from Mr. Roe-


MR. J. C. EWART said, he wished to THE ATTORNEY GENERAL said, he ask the Under Secretary of State for

Mr. M Mahon



Foreign Affairs, Whether it is probable intention whatever of altering the organthat an English vessel, loaded in England ization of the force. before the notification of the blockade, but cleared out two or three days after for

PROCLAMATION OF LIMERICK. the port of Tampico, would be admitted

QUESTION. into that port in the event of its being MAJOR GAVIN said, he would beg to blockaded by the French?

ask why the Proclamation under the Peace MR. LAYARD said, in reply, that he Preservation Act had been extended to the could not, of course, give an answer with City of Limerick. He was aware that a respect to any specific case. All that he most foul murder had been committed in a was able to say was, that the French Go- remote part of the county; but the City vernment had given to Her Majesty's Go- of Limerick was, he believed, free from vernment an assurance that any vessel crime, and the people there had suffered a that had left any British port for Mexico great deal from the distress which preprevious to the declaration of the block- vailed during the past winter and spring; ade, should not be interfered with by the but they had borne their sufferings with French cruisers; and, moreover, that the admirable patience. Under these circumFrench Government had given an assur-stances he felt obliged to ask, Why the ance to Her Majesty's Government that it City of Limerick had been placed under was not their intention to interfere with such a severe measure as the Peace Preserlegitimate commerce, either on the part vation Act? of French or neutral vessels, its object SIR ROBERT PEEL said, the Proclabeing merely to prohibit the importa- mation of the county was adopted almost tion into Mexico of the munitions of unanimously by the county magistrates.

The hon. and gallant Member would re

member that the City of Limerick extendTHE MILITARY ORGANIZATION OF ed more than six miles into the county, THE IRISH CONSTABULARY.

and the municipal boundary of the city

was very wide. Under these circumQUESTION.

stances it was thought that the ProclamaMR. SCULLY said, he wished to ask tion would have no operation if it did not the Chief Secretary for Ireland, Has his include the City of Limerick. attention been called to the Resolution

MR. HENNESSY said, he wished to adopted by the Grand Jury of the County ask whether the Government had not reof Tipperary, at the late Special Commis-ceived from the bench of Magistrates of sion in Clonmel, complaining of defects in the City of Limerick an unanimous prothe Irish Constabulary system, "owing to test against the Proclamation of the county the Military organization established at magistrates ? Head Quarters; i and is it intended to Sir ROBERT PEEL said, he was not remedy those defects by reforming that aware of any such protest. organization

MR. HENNESSY: I have seen it. SIR ROBERT PEEL said, he was in MR. MONSELL: Will the right hon. receipt of the Resolution to which the Gentleman the Home Secretary say whehon, and learned Gentleman had referred, ther he has received such a protest? and a copy of it had been, or would be, Sir GEORGE GREY said, he had only forwarded to the Lord Lieutenant. He received a letter from Mr. Spring Rice was glad to find that in the Resolution the expressing dissatisfaction that his property grand jury had recorded their opinion of had been included in the Proclamation, the good conduct, sobriety, and general and in reply he had informed that gentleintelligence of the Constabulary Force in man that the Proclamation of the county Ireland. In regard to the question about had been agreed to almost unanimously "military organization at head quarters," at a meeting of County Magistrates. The he (Sir Robert Peel) did not know what it Government had received no official remeant, as the present organization of the monstrance or protest. force was precisely the same as it had been for years, with the exception that the arms

SUPPLY. with which the force had been furnished Order for Committee read. were of a more excellent quality than Motion made, and Question proposed, those previously supplied. The Govern-" That Mr. Speaker do now leave the ment, so far as at present advised, had no chair.”

ticular. The Turkish Report stated that TIE TURKISH LOAN COMMISSION.

there existed only about £18,000,000 of PAPERS MOVED FOR.

debt, while the Report of Lord Hobart and MR. DARBY GRIFFITH said, he rose Mr. Foster stated that it amounted to over to ask the Under Secretary of State for Fo. £41,000,000; and, from advices he had reign Affairs, What progress had been made received, he had reason to believe that a by Lord Hobart and the Turkish Loan large amount of other obligations had been Commission in extinguishing the paper contracted. It was stated in the Turkish money at Constantinople by the applica- Report that the interest on the foreign debt tion of the capital of the loan to the pur- was £954,000, and the interest on the in. pose of paying it off? and to call attention ternal debt was £571,000, together about to the Report of the Commission, and also £1,500,000 a year, or one-eighth of the to the events now occurring in Servia; expenditure of the country; and the Report and to move an Address for Copy of any went on to state, that the interest on the Correspondence that had taken place on other denominations of debt was also about that subject. The Government had mani- £1,500,000 a year. Then, with regard to fested a generous wish to assist Turkey; the new taxes. The revenue of Turkey, but in his opinion the dry-nursing system by the last budget, was about nine millions, in reference to the affairs of that country and the expenditure twelve millions; but had been carried too far, as it only led the it was expected that the new taxes would Ottoman Gorernment into a career of am- produce £3,268,000, and that they would bitious conquest. It was a proof of the be able to effect a reduction of £685,000 partiality with which the Government in the expenditure, making together nearly had acted, that they were now obliged £4,000,000; and thus it was hoped that to admit that the Report of Lord Hobart they would be able to show a surplus on and Mr. Foster had been communicated the year. But according to the plan of to the contractors of the loan before the Hobart and Foster Report about oneit had been given to the public at half of the increase was to come from large. The ostensible design of the loan an alteration in the tenure of ecclesiasrecently contracted was to enable the Go- tical property called Vakouf, and they all vernment of Turkey to pay off certain knew how difficult a thing it was to prepaper money (the Caime); but, according vail upon even the mildest ecclesiastics to the accounts which had been received, to accept of the imposition of burdens that design, however, had entirely failed, upon church property; and therefore, con. as it was proposed to pay off only 40 per sidering the strength of the ecclesiastical cent of that money.

The consequence power in Mohammedan countries and its was, that the paper money was vastly intimate relations with the civil authodeprecated. In addition to that, it had rity-considering that the consent of the been discovered that great forgeries had Sheik el Islam was necessary to the been committed, which tended still further legality of every edict issued by the to bring it into disrepute. He held in his Sultan, it was extremely doubtful whehand a real and a spurious note, which ther the increased taxation would be he now exbibited to the House, and which obtainable. It was well known that the were as like each other as two peas. It inherent weakness of Turkey was such was difficult to ascertain which was the that but for the support of the Euroreal and which was the false currency pean Powers under treaty obligations, she of that country. It was said that the could not maintain her position as a napresent Sultan was a man of great energy, tion. He thought that too great a task and that he was disposed to carry out was imposed upon Lord Hobart, because he a liberal and enlightened policy. He was expected to set the finances of Turkey (Mr. Darby Griffith) heartily hoped that to rights, while the resources at his comthe anticipations that had been formed mand were entirely inadequate. At the with respect to the Sultan would turn out present time, also, there were more than to be well-founded, and that his efforts usually heavy drains upon Turkey, owing might be directed successfully to the recti- to the Montenegrin and other wars. They fication of the financial condition of the themselves (the English Government) first Turkish Empire. The House had received taught Turkey to borrow, and she had two Reports in reference to the debt of shown herself an apt pupil. In 1854 she Turkey-the Turkish and the English — raised £3,000,000; in 1855, £5,000,000, and they differed in every essential par- guaranteed by England and France ; in 1858, £5,000,000 more; then there was the House would not expect him to follow another operation of £2,000,000 by the the hon. Gentleman through his essay Mirès loan; and now there was the new loan upon Turkish finance, for which, as he of £8,000,000—in all, £23,000,000. The was not the Turkish Chancellor of the result of these constant additions to the Exchequer, he was in no way responsible. foreign debt was that the stock was con- So far as he was aware, there was no intinually falling in the market. The armed tention on the part of the Turkish Governinterference of the Porte in Montenegro was ment to conquer new territory, or to remost unwise, and could only result in a conquer any that she might have lost; useless expenditure of life and money. and with regard to her proceedings in With regard to the events that had re- Servia and Montenegro, she had done cently happened in Servia, he wished to nothing in infringement of any treaty or ask whether, in firing on the town as he obligation by which she was bound to had done, faith had been broken with the those states. As to the progress made by English and European Consuls by the Lord Hobart and the Turkish Loan Com. Pacha of Belgrade or not? The Porte had mission, he (Mr. Layard) could not be exsent a pacha to Belgrade who was so igno- pected to give information as to what might rant that he kuew no language but his have occurred from day to day. The own; and the consequence of his ignorance Foreign Office knew nothing of the matter; and bigotry was the troubles that had but when the operation was fully carried ensued. It was an anomaly unknown in out, he supposed Lord Hobart's duties would any other part of the nominal dominions cease, and that he would return to this of the Sultan for the suzerain power to country and give an account of his share maintain a garrison in the capital city of in the transaction; but they were not kept the dependent State, and a fortress, the informed from day to day what the Comguns of which were actually within range mission was doing. The hon. Gentleman of the prince's palace. He therefore de- said that a scheme had been put forward sired to know from the Under Secretary for the redemption of the paper money. for Foreign Affairs whether, as a member He was not there to criticise that scheme. of a Liberal Government, he was going to All he knew was, that it had received due justify the proceedings of the Governor of consideration at the hands of the CommisBelgrade. It was very important that sioners, and been accepted by them; and Her Majesty's Government should direct he was told that it was likely to effect the their attention to the subject, because, as object for which it was introduced. That far as their own selfish interests alone was all the information he was in a conwere concerned, they must be aware, that dition to give to the hon. Gentleman on if intestine war were to break out in that the subject. He could not furnish the portion of the Continent, there was great correspondence that had taken place in danger of its spreading into the neighbour- reference to Servia. When the events to ing countries, and there was no knowing which the hon. Member alluded took place how far the other countries of Europe at Belgrade, the Turkish Government immight become involved in the strife. He mediately recalled the pacha who was thought that the question deserved the dis- alleged to have been the cause of them, passionate consideration of the Govern- and sent there one of the most distinment. He asked, therefore, if there was guished statesmen in their service, who, any objection on the part of the Govern- in conjunction with the representatives ment to produce the correspondence re- of the other Powers, was engaged in carry. lating to Servia ?

ing on a thorough investigation into the Amendment proposed,

circumstances which led to those unhappy To leave out from the word “That” to the end occurrences, upon which, when the facts of the Question, in order to add the words “ were in the possession of the Government, humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, that they would be in a position to express an She will be graciously pleased to give directions opinion; but while that investigation was that there be laid before this House, a Copy of going on, it was obvious that it would be tween Lord Hobart and the Turkish Loan Com most improper to lay upon the table statemission, relative to the extinction of paper money ments which were merely ex parte. at Constantinople,” -instead thereof.

Question, “That the words proposed to

be left out stand part of the Question," MR. LAYARD said, he felt sure that put, and agreed to.


ralty whether there was any truth in the TIE NAVAL COMMANDER IN CHIEF IN

rumour that several distinguished officers INDIA.-QUESTION.

had, in consequence of the reduction to SiR JOHN HAY said, he rose to ask which he adverted, objected to go out to the Secretary to the Admiralty, If it is the India as naval commanders in chief, feelintention of the Admiralty to make any ing that their means would not enable increase in the pay and allowances to the them to undergo the expense attendant Naval Commander in Chief in India in on the appointment. The officer who now consequence of the stoppage of the allow. served in that capacity was, no doubt, a ance hitherto paid as batta to the Naval very able man, but he never had had the Commander in Chief by the Indian Go- advantage of commanding a fleet prevernment: if any inconvenience has arisen viously, or of having performed the distinin the selection of an Officer for that com- guished service by which officers hitherto mand in consequence of this reduction of selected for the appointment had been pay ? and, to move an Address for Return characterized. He might add that the of the pay and allowances of the Military military Commander in Chief and the ComOfficer in Her Majesty's Forces in India of manders of Presidencies received from similar rank to the Naval Commander in £8,000 to £10,000 a year, or five times Chief in India. The right hon. Gentle- the sum paid to the naval Commander in man the Secretary for India had, owing Chief. Under these circumstances, he to some embarrassment in the finances of hoped to receive some satisfactory assurthe country, thought fit to reduce the pay | ance from the Secretary to the Admiralty of certain naval officers serving in India, on the subject. and among them that of the naval Com- SIR MICHAEL SEYMOUR said, he mander and others, to the extent of was enabled to confirm all that had fallen £8,000 a year. Without going into de- from his hon. and gallant Friend. The tails, he might observe that the pay of naval Commander in Chief in India and the Admiral commanding in chief the China would in future have to serve under Indian station was, up to a recent date a salary of less than half the amount for£5,221 a year, and that by a stroke of the merly paid, while the expenses in that pen the sum had been reduced to £2,190, part of the world were larger than the or by considerably more than half the expenses of any other station. He trusted amount of the salary which he had hither- that the subject would receive the attento received. It had been the custom to tion of the Admiralty, and that the injuspay a certain amount to the naval Com- tice alluded to would be removed. mander in Chief as batta money, and the LORD CLARENCE PAGET said, it commodore received half that sum, and the was perfectly true that an allowance called other officers in proportion. The whole batta money used to be granted to all of those allowances had now been taken classes of officers of the navy while serving away. He should not have alluded to the in the Indian waters, but that it had subject, had it not been—and the gallant ceased and determined ever since the Admiral the Member for Devonport would transference of the Government of India bear him out in the statement—that under to the Crown. There was no doubt that ordinary circumstances it was impossible the position of the naval Commander in for the naval Commander in Chief in India Chief in India was therefore very much to perform the duties of his station and less advantageous in point of pay than it pay the expenses which necessarily de- / was before; but it should also be rememvolved upon him for a sum of less than bered that the circumstances of the pre£2,000 a year; and whoever accepted that sent day were no longer precisely what command under existing circumstances they were when the batta money was would, in all probability, be £400 or £500 granted. In those days they had a squaa year out of pocket in the performance of dron in the Indian seas. Undoubtedly his duty to the Crown. That the naval living was very expensive in India, and it commander should be placed in such a was thought fit that naval officers should position could not be, he felt assured, the have allowances in consequence; but at wish of the House. It might be said that the present time the Admiral on the Inthe amount was sufficient, inasmuch as dian station was practically stationed at there was no difficulty in procuring officers China, and there was no necessity for him to fill the command; but he should like to to visit India. Then came the question know from the Secretary for the Admi- whether, these allowances having been

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