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hat it was a matter of peculiar delicacy to interfere in tbis instance.
Wr. Bakes objected to the practice of granting money, as appeared to have been done here, without the matter having been regularly before parliament, which had a : right to examine into the grounds of giving away their money, and the manner in which it was expended. He': also thought, that a treaty of commerce ought to have ac. companied this engagement. The omission of an opportunity to do that, while we were giving away our money, nighi be felt in the case of Sweden, with respect to which, perhaps, we might be involved in great diliculty about our orders of council.
Mr. Huskisson stated that the account of The disposal of the money had been always laid before parliament, though the thing, lie admitted, had not been done in the most re. gular way.
The resolution was agreed to.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer then proposed, that 50,0001. should be granted for the relief of the inhabitants of Rosseau, in Dominica, who bad lost property to the amount of 600,0001. in gallantly repelling an attack of the French on the place.
A conversation took place as to the mode in which the som should be distributed. The Chancellor of the Exche: quer, Mr. Windham, and Lord Castlereagh, thought that the best mode of distribution would be pro rata of the loss, as every other mode seemed to be liable to insarmountable objection. Mr. Ponsonby, Mr. Barbam, Lord Temple, &c. objected to this, proposing that the distribution should be according to the merits and wants of the objects of this bounty. The pro'rata distribution was, however, at last agreed to. Many compliments were paid, to the inhabitants of Rosseau, whose merits were stated by Mr. Yorke to have been most singularly conspicuous. He wished that insicad of 50,0001., the noiety of the loss, or 500,0001. had been proposed.
The resolution was agreed to.
07921. 10. was voted for the British museum; and. 5000l. for repairing Margate picr.
Sir Arthur Wellesley proposed, that 10,000. part of an estimate of 20,000/. should be granted for improving HoTylıcad harbour, with a view to facilitate the communication with Ireland.
On this vote Mr. Sheridan suggested, that the newly proposed road to Ireland, was much preferable to that by Ibolyhead, and that the ner harb' ur of Poni y Clues was preferable to tbat of Holybead, which was, in fact, no harbour.
Sir Arthur Wellesley maintained, that the harbour of Hols head was far superior.
Mr. Herbert (of Kerry) argued to the same effect.
After sime further conversation, in which Mr. Parnell spoke in favour of the new harbour, and Mr. Foster in faa vour of Holyhead,
Mr: Wardle supported Mr. Slreridan's idea, and thought the money ought not to be granted.
Sir Arihur Welleslıy supported the motion. The esti. mate was framed on a plan approved of by the committee on the case.
Mr. S. Bourne supported the resolation. The new port was, to his knowledge, in a very dangerous bay.
Lord Temple thought the natter ought to be referred to the opinions of seafaring men.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer said a fety words in answer to lord Temple, and was supported by General Tarleton.
Mr.C. Wynne said the resolution ought not to rest mere. ly on the opinions of the Holyhead captains, and that a committee ought to be appointed to inquire into the re. lative merits of the two harbours.
Mr. Sheridan, if the money was to be granted, wished it to be applied in equal moieties to the improvement of both harbours.
Mr. Secretary Canding ironically recommended a fait trial of the experiment, in which passage the greater num. ber of Irish members would be lost in coming to this country, without any improvement in either.
Mr. Sheridan argued that there were other commodities of intercourse besides members of parliament, and that even these should have their option. He wished the Irish members who came to yote for catholic einancipation, to take the safe way of the new harbour, the name of which he did not know, (a lugh) and those who came to vote against that question, to coine the hazardous way of Holya head.
Mr. Herbert thought it desirable to improve both hara bours. Mr. Biddulpla spoke to the same effect. Admiral VOL. 111.1808.
Harvey supported the resolution. Mr. Beresford spoke
For the grant
83 Nr. Long moved a resolution, that 75,2001. should be voted for facilitating the access to Westminster-hall, and other improvements.
Mr. Windham objected to the mode in which the money was expended, and the bad taste which prevailed in the pretended improvements.
Mr. Rose said, that he really did not know under whose antbority these improvements were conducted; but some of them consisted of laih and plaister, and he should be very happy that they were pulled down. * Mr. Sheridan compared the improvements to Dr. Duigenan's appointment to the privy council, which was known to have taken place, but which no one would acknowledge. He did not object to vote any som tending to the embellishment of the metropolis, but lic should be sorry that the money of the people, when it was voted for such purposes, should be misapplied, as it had been hitherto.
The Speaker joined in condemning the iinprovements, as they were called, and, by some persons, had been thought, but for which he declared himself in no way responsible. With respect to what was to be done, the plans were now before the house, so that it only, and not the commis. sioners, would be responsible, either for adopting or rejecting them.
Mr. Bankes was glad that this subject had attracted the notice of the committee, and reprobated the practice of voting the public money when ilo one was responsible for its application. He moved that instead of 75,0001, only 45,0001. should be voted, as amply sufficient to sup. ply all the demands of the present year.
Mr. Whitbread thought that a committee ought to be appointed to inquire who authorised the raising of the buildings, who audited the accounts, and who issued the orders for their payment.
Mr. Rose believed that the works were ordered by the
412 surveyor general of the board of works, and that they might have been paid by an order from the treasury. But he asserted that every shilling of the money had been accounted for, and that the accounts had beer as scrupulously examined as any public accounts ever had been.
Lord Henry Petty, in answer to what had fallen from Mr. Rose, declared his total ignorance of any part of the operations which had been carried on.
The Speaker expressed his conviction that the builds ings in addition to the bouse of lords were greatly watal, but that they were without any direct authority till they started up of themselves.
Mr. Huskisson said, that in consequence of the difficulty of getting in accounts from the board of works, the treasury had issued a minute, ordering an inquiry to be made into the powers of this board and the controuls over it.
Mr. Freemantle did not esteem this a satisfactory an. swer to Mr. Tierney's proposition for the appointment of a committee to inquire into the authorit.y and expenditure of all works lately carried on. - Mr. Fuller said, that there was no han:lsomo plan of the bnildings in front of the house of lords, correspon:ing with the grandeur of the scene within. This was the fault of those then in power. The work which had been erected was a paltry building, and he was not surprised the public thought their money thrown away upon it.
Mr. Perceval would have been a friend to the smaller sum, bụt he was afraid it was now due to the
persons whom notices had been given that the purchases should be carried through.
The motion on the smaller grant was then put and negatived.
It was afterwards ordered, that the sum of 75,2501. Ils. be granted for completing the purchases in the vicinity of Westminster 'hall.
Sir T. Turton, after recapitulating the different proceedings on the claims of Mr. Palmer; that a sum of about 08,0001, had been found due to him by the former committee, but that the committee to whom the amount
of his balance was last referred had, on a different calcuLation, reduced it 14,0001. ; concluded by moving that the
sum of 51,7021. being the balance of per-centage on the Det increased revenue of the postage, from 5th of April, 1793, to 5th of January, 1808, be paid to Mr. Palmer. : Mr. Wynne declared the grant to be inwarrantable in every respect. He thought there should be at least a de. duction for the amount of the turnpike duty, from wbich mail coaches were exempled. .: Lord Henry Petty agreed with his honourable friend, but thought Mr. Palmer entitled to a set off for interest on the arrear due to him.
Sir T. Turton thought Mr. Palmer entitled to the consideration of interest, and also various other descriptions of set off.
Mr. Sheridan argued against the deduction.
Mr. Rose repeated some of his former arguments, to prove that Mr. Palmer had broke bis compact with the public.
Mr. Holmes Sumner argued for the deduction on ac, count of turnpike exemption.
Mr. C. Wynne moved that it be sent back to the committee to inquire wbat part of the increased revenue arose from the exemption of mail coaches from the payment of tolls. On this a division took place : For the original resolution
93 Against it
20 The resolution was accordingly agreed to.
AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. When strangers were re admitted into the gallery we found the house resumed, and the Speaker in the chair.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer adverted to the motion respecting Spain, of which notice had been given by a right honourable gentle nan (Mr. Sheridan); but with the purport and scope of which he professed himself not to be acquainted. He could not, therefore, but be anxjous to know what was the object of the right honourable gentleman's inotion, as without that knowledge, it could not be expected that is a matter of such delicacy he should feel it proper to assent to any proposition of such a tender.cy.
Mr. Sheridan thought it suficient to observe, that be