The Debates on the Grand Remonstrance, November and December, 1641

Text. Claufes 181-191. Hopes of Leaders of Commons,

265, 266. Reply to their affailants, 266. Champions of

Epifcopacy: their flanders, 266, 267. Defign of the Bishops'
Bill. No intention to relax juft difcipline, 267. Conformity
defired, 268. Suggestion for a Synod: to fettle Church
Government, 269 Defire to advance Learning: by reforming
Universities, 269.

Notes. Idolatry in the Church, 267.

ftrance. Afcribed to Pym.

Pym's Vindication, 268.

Authorship of Remon-

Parallel paffages from

8. Remedial Measures demanded

269-273

Text. Claufes 192-206. Demands made, 269, 270. Settle-

ment of Monarchy with limitations. (i.) Safeguards against

Roman Catholic Religion, 270. Suggefted Commiflion, 271.

(ii) Securities for adminiftration of laws. (iii.) Protection

against evil Counsellors. Parliament to be confulted in

choice of minifters, 272. Minifters to be made fubject to

laws. Clofing prayer of Remonstrance, 273.

Notes. Pym's view as to Popery diflike of the Statesman,

not the Bigot, 270. The King's tendencies to Rome.

Compact for reftoration of Epifcopacy. Propofed invi-

tation to the French, 271. English Statemen: and

foreign penfions, 273, 274.

§ XIII. THE HOUSE AND ITS MEMBERS: 22ND NOVEMBER,

1641

273-285

Text. Monday, 22nd November. King approaching London,

273, 274. Ten o'clock A.M. Speaker late. Petition from

Moniers, 274. Diftinction between Commonwealth and

King. Pym on Ireland. Twelve o'clock A. M. Dinner-

hour. Cries for Order of the Day, 275. Hyde's motion

to gain time. The Old Houfe of Commons.

Westminster

Hall. Famous Affociations, 276. Pym and Hyde. Shops

in the Hall. Place of refort: for M.P.'s, lawyers and clients,

277. St. Stephen's Chapel. Its old interior. Officers of

Houfe. Honourable Members, 278. Pofition of Mr. Speaker.

Richard King's attack on Lenthal, 279. Hon. Mr. John

Digby his difrefpect to Houfe: rebuked by Lenthal, 279,

280. Mr. Speaker's powers, 280. Lenthal's weakness, 281.

Magifter Venter. House emptied by dinner-bell, 282. Where
leading Members fit. Sir Simonds D'Ewes: taking his
notes, 283. Marten and Pym, Culpeper, Hyde, Falkland
and Palmer. Vane and King's Minifters, 284. Independent
Members. Hampden, Waller, Cromwell, Hollis, and Selden.
The lawyers, 28 5.

Notes. Efcape of Westminster Hall from fire, 277. Selden

and the Digbys. Digby on his ladder and the ape on

houfe-top. D'Ewes and Lenthal, 280. A quarrel on

point of order. D'Ewes lectures Mr. Speaker. Len-

thal's fubmiffion, 281. Pym's dinner parties. An even-

ing ride, 282. Places of Members in House, 283.

Mode of referring to Members, 284, 285.

§ XIV. SPEECHES OF HYDE, FALKLAND, DERING, RUDYARD,

Eighth Debate: Monday, 22nd November. Hyde

fpeaks. Doubts House's right to remonftrate, 286. Objec-

tions to form and language: unjust to King, 286, 287. Lord

Falkland fpeaks. King's right to name his own Ministers,

287. Defends Laud. Dangers of Remonftrance, 288.

Apology for Bishops: and Popish Lords, 288, 289. Sir

Edward Dering speaks: not difcreetly, 289, 290, 291. Urges

importance of Remonstrance. But why carry it to the peo-

ple? People want only good laws, 291. Remonftrate to

King: but not downward to people. Agrees with Falk-

land. Church regulation no fubject for Parliament, 292.

Advocates Prizes in Church. Would not fplit moons into

ftars. Final reafons for adverfe vote, 293. Rudyard fpeaks.

His Character by May. Favourable to a Declaration, 294.

Great acts of the Parliament. Neceffity to defend it against

libels. States one objection to Remonftrance, 295. Would

only mention Acts paffed: not Bills in progrefs or intended.

Subfequent attacks on Rudyard. A poet and friend of poets,

296. Joins the Parliament. Unfit for all its duties, 297.

Sayings and doings. Conduct in old age. No apoftate, 298.

Acting in Houfe till his death (æt. 87). Mr. Baghaw speaks:

against the Remonstrance, 299.

Notes. Hyde's wordiness in speaking, 286.
in Remonftrance: incorrectly quoted
Dering's publication of his fpeeches.

Allufion to Eliot
by Hyde, 287.
Ordered to be

burnt. Origin of penny-a-lining, 289. Reported fpeeches

never spoken: Royalift petitions forged: work of poor

fcholars in ale-houses. Verney's Notes, 290. Sydney

Smith anticipated, 293. Poem to Rudyard by Ben

Jonfon, 296. Epigrams addressed by Jonfon, 297.

PAGE

XV. SPEECHES OF CULPEPER, PYM, BRIDGMAN, WALLER,

AND HAMPDEN

300-308

Text. Sir John Culpeper fpeaks. Manner of fpeaking, 300.

Objects to Remonftrance: not neceffary: and dangerous in

form. People not to be addreffed alone. Pym speaks, 301.

Anfwers preceding fpeakers, 301, 302. Replies to Hyde:

replies to Falkland. Claim of Parliament to advise King,

302. Right to control Minifters. Replies to Culpeper.

Replies to Dering. Slanders against Parliament, 303.

to Church Prizes, Remarks on Rudyard. Replies to Bag.

fhaw. Oppofes Lords' claim to fhare in Remonftrance, 304.

An act of Commons, not of Lords or King. Appeal to

people from reprefentatives. Orlando Bridgman speaks.

Replies to Pym, 305. Edmund Waller fpeaks. Laws not to

yield to Orders. Why control the King? John Hampden

fpeaks, 307. Why object to declaration? Replies to Dering.

Quotes and applies Revelations, 307.

Notes. Character of Culpeper. Remark by Hyde: more ap-

plicable to Pym, 300. Hampden's quotation, 307.

XVI. THE SPEECHES UP TO MIDNIGHT.

308-313

Text. Hampden refumes feat (9 o'clock P.M.). Why D'Ewes

had left at 4 o'clock. Attempts at compromise resisted, 308.

Two divifions, 309. (i.) 187 to 123. (i.) 161 to 147.
Denzil Hollis fpeaks. People to be influenced. Power of
House to declare fingly, 310. Right to control King's advi-
fers. Glyn fpeaks. Precedents for Remonftrance. Reafons
in its favour, 311. Mr. Coventry fpeaks. Geoffrey Palmer
fpeaks. Maynard speaks, 312. Midnight approaching.
Secretary Nicholas retires. Writes to the King. Reveals
Hyde's purpose, 313.

Notes. Subject of firft divifion.

lers, 309. Second divifion, 310.

cedence, 311.

Remark by D'Ewes. Tel-

Speaker's eye, rule of pre-

§ XVII. QUESTION PUT, AND PALMER'S PROTEST

314-322

Numbers on

Text. Refiftance to putting queftion. Which fide gained by
delay, 314. Hyde's statement: Whitelocke's: reafons to
the contrary, 315. Truth of the cafe.
first divifion (310): on second division (308), 316. Numbers
on third divifion (307). New question raifed. Clarendon's

Narrative, 317.

As to Hyde's proteft: as to Palmer's: as
to others: as to clofe of debate: as to incidents in its pro-
grefs. A tiffue of misstatements, 318, 319. Real mover of
printing, 319. Mr. Peard, 320. True object of " Protesters."
To divide and deftroy authority of Houfe, 321. Why fo
refolutely refifted. Existence of Houfe involved.

ampled scene, 322.

Notes. Whitelocke's Memorials: not reliable, 315.

Unex-

Numbers

commonly prefent in Houfe, 316. Change by Claren-

don's first editors, 317. Hyde and Hampden. D'Ewes

on Hampden. Art of making ufe of others: open to

misjudgment, 320. Clarendon's character of Hampden.

A governor of men, 321.

PAGE

322-327

Denzil

§ XVIII. VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH .

Text. Remonftrance carried (by 159 to 148), 322.

Hollis acting with Pym. Peard moves printing. Hyde op-

pofes. Confufed debate. Members protesting, 323. Palmer

moves to take down names of all claiming to protest, 323,

324. Cries of "All, all." Palmer protefts for "All.'

Sudden fury of excitement. "I thought we had all fat in

"the Valley of the Shadow of Death" (Philip Warwick),

324. Swords ready for mifchief. Parallel from Saul's Wars.

Calmness of Hampden. Shows Palmer's prefumption, 325.

How should he answer for "all." The Houfe calmed.

Printing to be left unsettled, 326. Fourth division: 124 to

ΙΟΙ, House rifes (2 A.M.), 326, 327. What Cromwell faid

of the Vote. Turning-point of freedom or defpotiim, 327.

327-331

§ XIX. SITTING OF TUESDAY, THE 23RD NOVEMBER.

Text. Tuesday, 23rd November. Houfe meets at 10 o'clock,

327, 328. Bufinefs in hand. Four, P.M. Pym refers to

laft night's fcene, 328. Mifchievous claim put forward: to

be difcuffed next day, 328, 329. The truth, and Clarendon's

verfion of it. As to party counfels. Impoffible as stated,

329. As to a purpose against himself: rejected by Northern

As to difputes among the leaders. Not confirmed by

D'Ewes or Verney, 330. Why not credible. Refuted by

MS. of D'Ewes, 331.

men.

Notes.

D'Ewes corrects Clarendon, 329. Clarendon's dif-

tinction between himself and Palmer, 330, 331.

§ XX. DEBATE ON PALMER'S PROTEST

331-343

Text. Ninth Debate: Wednesday, 24th November. Pym de-

nounces fcandalous prints, 331. Complaints of Pamphleteers.

Referred to Committee for abufes of printing. Pym speaks

against "Proteft," 332. Shows its danger. Hyde defends it:

Cul-

amid clamour. Why not Commons as well as Lords? 333.
Repeats protest against printing. Suggeftion by Strode: dif
regarded. Mr. Hotham fpeaks, 334. Attacks Palmer: as
leader of a mutiny, 334, 335. Moves to have him fent for.

Palmer enters. Conflict of friends and foes, 335. Hyde

supports Palmer. Too late to require him to anfwer.

peper on fame fide. Members to be queftioned only at

fpeaking, 336. Denzil Hollis makes new charge. D'Ewes

fpeaks. Replies to Hyde. Exhibits precedents, 337. Mem-

bers not queftionable elsewhere: but by the House at any

time. Judgment of House never avoidable. Error in Cul-

peper's argument, 338. Future parliament may question

paft. House unchanged by abfence of members. D'Ewes's

own abfence at midnight of Monday, 339. Would have

Palmer speak. D'Ewes proud of his logic.

Palmer's

friends prevent his rifing. A divifion called for, 340.

Hyde moves addition to question, 340, 341. Defeated by

192 to 146. Original question carried by 190 to 142.

Palmer required to speak, 341. His defence. Hampden's
queftion. Apology. Whitelocke fupports Palmer. Mr.
Speaker cannot fee hon. members. Subject to be refumed to-
morrow. Adjournment at dark (4°30), 343.

Notes. Clarendon's account of opening of debate, 332.

Hyde and Palmer, 333. Hyde reported by himfelf, 336.

A correction not legible, 337. Pym's vigilance, 343.

§ XXI. PALMER'S PUNISHMENT AND SUBMISSION