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INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

EIGHTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

S. 174, H.R. 293, H.R. 299, H.R. 496, H.R. 776, H.R. 1762,
H.R. 1925, H.R. 2008, and H.R. 8237

BILLS TO ESTABLISH A NATIONAL WILDERNESS PRESERVATION
SYSTEM FOR THE PERMANENT GOOD OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE,
AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

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COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS

WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado, Chairman

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Mrs. LaVerne N. Cohen, Sacramento, Calif.

827

Harold E. Crowe, M.D., honorary vice president, Sierra Club, Los
Angeles, Calif..

814

Paul Cooley, Los Angeles, Calif.

908

Rav Crane, Crane Mills, Corning, Calif.

802

John Parkes Davis, attorney at law, New Verde Mines Co., Grass
Valley, Calif__

906

John C. Dozier, professional forester, representing the Madera County
Chamber of Commerce...

870

Fred H. Dressler, Gardnersville, Nev., president, American National
Cattlemen's Association...

753

Glen D. Franklin, on behalf of the Alaska Miners Association, Fair-
banks, Alaska.

831

Gretchen Fitzpatrick, vice president, Carmichael Garden Club,
Carmichael, Calif

800

Robert Frenkel, Berkeley, Calif

824

Gordon A. Goodwin, chairman, Public Lands Committee, Western
Oil & Gas Association.

756

Louis D. Gordon, Phoenix, Ariz., representing the Nevada Mining
Association, Inc. -

867

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Mrs. Del Mar Janson, Sacramento, Calif.

886

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Arthur B. Johnson, consulting engineer, West Covina, Calif

835

Don Greame Kelley, San Anselmo, Calif.

897

Frank P. Knight, director, Arizona Department of Mineral Re

sources, Phoenix, Ariz...

863

Jerry Lausmann, manager, Kogap Lumber Co., Medford, Oreg

792

William H. Larson, manager, Washington Forest Protection Association, Seattle, Wash..

747

Howard R. Leach, president, Sacramento Audubon Society.

782

Robert Marshall, Pomona, Calif.

887

Warner L. Marsh, vice president, American Institute of Landscape
Architects, Sacramento, Calif...

822

Mrs. Charlotte E. Mauk, Berkeley, Calif

872

Harvey C. McGee, publisher, Sonora Union Democrat, Sonora,
Calif

782

Jack M. Merelman, legislative consultant, County Supervisors Associ-
ation of California, Sacramento, Calif.
Mrs. Charles Miller, Alameda, Calif.

738

904

Ralph A. Nissen, California Farm Bureau Federation, Williams,
Calif

845

Edgar F. Norby, administrative officer, Madera County Board of
Supervisors, Madera, Calif

736

Grant B. Potter, general manager, Sequoia Forest Industries, Dinuba,
Calif

806

Roland Case Ross, educational director, Desomount Club, Pasadena,
Calif.

795

J. Harold Severaid, associate professor of life science, Sacramento
State College, Sacramento, Calif.

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Leslie Shaw, editor, Lake County Examiner, Lakeview, Oreg

761

Richard C. Sill, associate professor of physics, University of Nevada,
Reno, Nev.

900

Edwin F. Smith, Placerville, Calif.

808

Charlotte Stephens, Sebastopol, Calif

903

George N. Swallow, Ely, Nev., representing the Central Committee of the State Grazing Board of Nevada..

859

Irving J. Symons, California State Chamber of Commerce, Sonora,
Calif

847

John Tyler, Santa Monica, Calif., vice chairman, southern California chapter of the Nature Conservancy.

880

Gordon Van Vleck, president, California Cattlemen's Association, San
Francisco, Calif.

766

Thomas N. Walthier, district geologist, Southwest District Bear Creek
Mining Co., Tucson, Ariz

772

Mrs. H. M. Weber, representing the California Federation of Women's
Clubs

895

Henry M. Weber, M.D., conservation chairman, California Garden
Clubs, Inc., Indio, Calif.

829

William E. Warne, administrator, the Resources Agency of California
F. T. Wilmoth, Minerals Association of Northern California, Auburn,
Calif

839

811

Sam L. Wolf, member of the Range Improvement Committee, California Wool Growers Association.

856

Mrs. Effie C. Yeaw, Save the American River Association, Sacramento,
Calif

827

WILDERNESS PRESERVATION SYSTEM

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 1961

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS, Sacramento, Calif.

The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, in room 4203, State Capitol Building, at 10:10 a.m., Hon. Gracie Pfost (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mrs. ProST. The Subcommittee on Public Lands will now come to order for the consideration of proposed wilderness legislation.

Before we start this morning the Chair would like to make an announcement that even though we should like very much to accommodate tape recorders, TV stations, and photographers, the rules of the House prevent us from having pictures taken or tape recordings made during a regular session. Therefore, if a picture is needed or wanted, we shall be very happy to temporarily recess, allow the picture to be made, and then go back into session so that we can accommodate anyone who wishes to take pictures.

Before we start, we should like to introduce the members of our subcommittee.

To my immediate left is the gentleman from Alaska, Congressman Ralph Rivers, and to his left the Congressman from North Dakota, Mr. Nygaard. And to my right, I am sure I do not need to introduce this gentleman because you people probably know him almost better than those of us serving on the committee with him because I understand he was in your State legislature for 10 years and lives just 18 miles from the heart of Sacramento, the Honorable Harold Johnson from your own beautiful Sacramento Valley area.

Then we have our staff members: our consultant on public lands, to Mr. Johnson's right, Mr. Milton Pearl, and to his right is the counsel of our committee, Mr. Richard Witmer, and down in front is our reporter, Mr. Karl Veley.

I am delighted to come back to the lovely, sunshiny Sacramento Valley. I have been here several times and have some friendships of long standing, and it is always a pleasure to return again.

The Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs of the House of Representatives has had referred to it eight wilderness bills, but in the interest of time, we are going to refer today to S. 174, the Senatepassed bill which has also been referred to our committee.

Within the Interior and Insular Affairs Committee I have the honor to serve as the chairman of the Subcommittee on Public Lands, which is charged with the direct responsibility for examining the need for legislation in this field and making recommendations to the full com

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