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beg leave, through you, to communicate this pine spreading itself over the ocean. On answer to the address, on which your sig, ibis clement it has reached us, and at length nature had the first place, and to add as in so serious a degree, that the legislature surances of iny respect.(Signed) Thomas of the nation has thought it necessary to wishJEFFERSON.-To Col. Edward Proctor. draw our citizens and properly froin it, either

to avoid or to prepare for engaging in the Petition of the Subscribers, Officers of Mler| general contest. But for this timely precat.

chant Ships, belonging to the Port of Phi- tion, ili petitioners and their property migbo Ludelphin, to Thomas Jell'erson, Esq. Preo dow have been in ihe bands of spoilers, wbu sident of the United Stuies of America : have laid asjile all regard to moral right, Respectfully Sheweth, that in

Withdrawing from the greater evil, a lesser quence of the present embargo laws, the si. bas been necessarily encountered ; and cer. Cuation of your petitioners is grievous and tainly, could be legislature have made proatficting ; that they have been engaged in vision against this also, I should have had the mercantile service since their infancy, great pleasure as the instrument of its esewith few exceptions, and accustomed only cution; but it was impracicable by any to conduct ships or vessels across the ocean; general and just rules to prescribe, in every that from the operation of the present restric- case, the best resource against the incon. tive laws, they find themselves cut off from veniences of this new situation. The diffi. their usual employment, and of course the culties of the crisis will certainly tall with imeans of subsistence are gone. Your peri- greater pressure, on some discription of citioners are well acquainted with the duties tizens than others, and on none perhaps with of conducting ships from port to pori----well greater than on our seafaring brethren. versed in naval tactics, but unable to bana Sould any means of alleviation occur within dle the harrow or plough. Your petitioners the range of my duties, I shall with certaidkave for a long time borne with prience the ty advert to the situation of the petitioners, privations incident to these restrictive laws, and in availing the nation of their services, without murmur or complaint ; but when aid then with a substitute for tbeir forruer imperious necessity compels cbem to disclose occupation. I salute them and yourself witú the cause of their grievances, they busily sentiments of sincere regard. suppose they have a right so to do in a decerit

" TH. JEFFERSON. and respectful manner.--Tour petilioners, therefore, pray that your excellency will HOLLAND.-Durch Comercial Decree, take their case into consideration, and

dried 18th October, 1808. adopt such measures as will relieve the Louis Napoleon, by the grace of God wants of your petitioners ; or, if there are and the constitution of the kingdom, kios vacancies in the navy to give to your petiti- of Holland, and constable of Fiance, but oners, or some of them, an opportunity of decreed and decrees as follows:--Art. 1. serving therein, as they think themselves The exportation, by sea, of the produce or capable of performing services of that nature. tbe kingdom, hitherto permitted to be exThey, however, subinit their whole cause to ported io neutral poris, is provisionally your consideration, hoping your excellency suspended until further orders.--Art. II. will adopt such measures as wisdom and jus- The superintendance of the coast shall be tice may point out, and as in duty bound divided into three grand precincts; the first, will pray, &c -- Philadelphia, August 10th extending from the Helder to the Isle of 1809.

Walcheren, inclusive; the second from the The President's Answer.

Helder, inclusive, to Harlingen ; and the SIR.-In answer to the petition which you third from Harlingen to the Jahde, inclusie. delivered me froin the officers of merchant -- Art. ÍII. The commanders-in-chief shall vessels belonging to Philadelphia, I must be personally responsible for the executico premise my sincere regret at the sacrifices of the dispositions that relate to the complete which our fellow citizens in general, and the shutting of all the ports of the kingdom, and petitioners in particular, have been obliged the prevention of all communication will to meet, by the circumstances of the times. the enemy, and likewise of all that we may We live in an age of affliction, to which the hereafier decree. They shall daily transmit history of nations presents no parallel; we a report to our ministers of what relates to have for years been looking on Europe co- their respective departments. vered with blood and violence, and seen ra

(To le continued.)

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OL. XIV. No 21.] LONDON, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1808. (PRICE 1OD.

Sir,

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only probable, bat it is what one would naRev. EDMUND POULTER.

turally expect ; but, that you should now (See his Leller below.)

give us, as the very words ; that you should

now lay before the public, marked by in. Without any waste of time or room verted commas, words' which you did not r the sake of ceremony, I shall, at once, utter, does, I must confess, greatly surprize id following the order you have pursued, me; and my surprize is not diminished by Ideavour to answer every part of the letter, The reflection, that it is a matter of no inibich you did me the honour to send me portance, as far as I can conceive, what the

Thursday evening last, which should, word's were ; for, what diff'rence could it I had had it three hours sooner, have possibly make, as to the merits of the case peared in the Register of the last week, before the mceting, whether Mr. Garnier d which I now ain about to send forth to was your relation, or not?

What possible e public.

inducement could the reporters have to mis. First, then. Sir, you complain of the represeji you in a thing of this sort ? Supa rtiality of the gentlemen, by whom the posing their partialities to have been against eport of the Proceedings was taken and you, what end could they propose to them. iblished. I really did not, when I read selves in making the world believe that you le Report, perceive in it any marks of were the relation, instead of the friend and artiality, It appeared to me to be as near- adınirer, of the person of whom mention correct as such a report could be expected had been made ?

be. You cite, however, a particular As to my being out of order, in intro. stance; and, in this you are unfortunate; ducing the subject of Mr. Garnier and his T, I myself am ready to take my oath, immense emoluments, that I now deny, ás at you, in speaking of Mr. Garnier, I denied at the time. To talk over again 'scribed him as your near and dear reta. the deverils of the Convention appeared

tion." I have, since I have received me to be quite useless ; bat, nothing sur letter, put this question to six gentle- seemed more proper, in addressing ove's self en, who were present, two of them to a meeting of car-payers, than to show. ergymen :" What was it that Mr. Pout- the causes of the friendship and support ter called Mr. Garnier, when he gave with the Convention-makers found ; and, his reasons for not having called me to the particular instance in question was a order when I was going into that sub- very striking one of the interest which son e jeet?" The answer of everyone has been: persons had, and must naturally hare, in he called him his near and dear relu- a continuation of the war, at all events,

tion." Besides this, I well remember, and to which continuation the Portugal aat, while you were speaking, a gentle- Convention was so manifestly a friend. jan apon my right band, asked me how | The people want to be inade acquainted ou were the relation of Mr. Garnier ; and, with facis. They have so long been bandied rhite at dinner, the same day, there being about from faction to faction, that they lone present but persons of the county, cannot know what to think. They cannot bere arose a conversation upon this very know their friends froin their enemies.“ Destion of relationship. To be at issue, The way is to give them some facts ; has, upon a point of fact, is not pleasant ; names and dates and sums. Fix their vit, it is generally true, that no one re- attention to things, and not amuse them nembers so imperfectly what a speaker with sounds. The corrupters and the jays, in the heat of disputation, as the corrupted want nothing more than 10 speaker bimself. Ask any of your friends, keep facts from the people. Neither Sir, who were near you, in the Hall; and faction exposes, or attempts to expose, the I am satisfied, that you will find reason to other, in those points where the public are doubt your own accuracy, in this respect, really interested. They quarrels they hate at least. That you should forget what you one another most sincerely; but, their ha. said, in the baste of the moment, is nct tred is that of rivals; that of rivals for

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plunder ; and, they take special care not to a change in the minds of this deceired ad attack ihe object of their common pursuit. torpid nation. --We were met for the purpose of con- You tell me, Sir, that Mr. Gari sidering, whether it was proper to petition

* loaths and abhors the very n1HP : the king for inquiry into the cause of a great nature of war;" and this, “ trum military failure. You called me to order, general feelings of humanity, and trot because I was making a statement of the “having lost four sons in the service of expence of supporting the Duke of York,

country by the war; and that most! of whose failures and of whose memorable pily would be restore the mererii Convention at tlie Helder, I bad just been gained by the parent, if the blodie speaking, as of ihe example, which had led “ lost could be restored to him," Art, to all our subsequent di-graceful capitulations this is very full of fine sentimeat, 2007 and conventions. And, if this was do very well in a modern romance

being in order, what could be so ? Was I how far will it stand the test of reanot, when I was speaking of the serrices of Why did he place four sons in the army, a person, to speak also of the compensation, navy, if he loaibed and abhorred the v which he received for those services ? Why name and nature of war? He, surely, was this, above all other matter, to be tended they should, sometime or other avoided ? Was it because you did not wish forth to fight? Or, if he made them the people to know how their money was diers, or sailors, upon the speculation expended ? Were you afraid, Sir, that they continual peace, I see, in his conduci, would begin to perceive, that the sacritices thing betier than the proof of a desire they were making were not for the defence obtain for then a livelibood out of the ro

of their country? I can see no other reason ; lic burthens without any correspondirço .but, if another such opportunity should vices. This is a diemma, Sir, from wh occur, the cry of order shall not prevent me I am of opinion, you will find it very

ett from proceeding to discharge what I deem to extricate Mr. Garniei. It is in vain, my bounden duty

you apply a general argumont in supper: With respect to Mr. Garnier and his

a statement from personal knowledge ; patent and emoluments, I should be fully in vain, that you tell me, that “ bis itt: justified in refusing to admit into my Regis- education, generous haviks, and ter, any answer to whiat I thought proper to renial feelings, would prevent him say at a public meeting of the county. The bartering affections for interests ;" time and place for answerinig me was when shall be satisfied with nothing but and where the speech was made. I am cli-ions, drawn from facts.. Lok, ready, however, to adinit any thing respect- into the list of places and pensions ; ing this matter, until the discussion be fairlo there

you will find procfs of greedinens closed, because it is a matter of deep and meansers too hate!uito by described, in general interest; but, I must; before I sons, who have bad, what you are please proceed further, beg you to observe, that it trie conimon phrase of the day, to c is upon this account that I admit your letter, " liberal education." Indeed, it w and not from any persuasion, that I am seem, that, in many instances, such ett bound to give an opponent at Winchester an tion, instead of baving produced dige opportunity of reviving the debate in my notious; instead of having given rise te Register, which is intended for general cir- dependence of mind and of conduct, ish, od

culation ; for, otherwise, every one who ed upon as a suthicient plea fur saddling had a dispute with me, no matter of what possessor as a sort of state pariper open kind, might claim the insertion of his luce public. This education, call it wat ters, and the public, as far as they read my will, has a degrading effect. I liven publication, would be entertained with, at yet seen it productive of any thing great best, the inere politics of Hampshire. praise worthy. I see it sending for that's

Mr. Garnier's is a case of great and general of sbancle'ss droves aud peculators; ? importance. I am happy, that he bas, therefore, I despise it. Of Mr. God! through you, chalierged this sort of discus- generosi!y we shall, presently, see sor" sion; pot, because I am convinced, that lie stances not to be controverted; bet, gire * will have cause to repent of having yielded leave to make a general obseryalion ; to the suggestions of zealous, though inju- that is, that, accordivg to the old mar". dicious, friendship ; but, because I regard we should be just before we are gener . his patent, and ihe concern growing out of The Apostle, you well know, Sir, bids : 1 il, as being anjongst those fagrant abuses, give 10 ibove who need, a precept which is the exposure of which must, in lime, work had copied from his Master; bat, los

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something, too, about the manner of getting prices. All that you have alledged about what we give; and he tells us, to be sure to long credit, the Apothecaries Company's get it by our labour; io earn it; in be able prices to the Naty, and so forth, was alleged to call it our own, in conscience as well as before the commissioners; and, in this exo in law, before we attempt to give it away: tract from their Report, you will find it all Whether Vir. Garnier's generosity will stand completely refuted.---'Betore we prothis test we are now proceeding to inquire. “ ceed to state the course we have fuilowed

Tue date and the duration of Mr. Garnier's " in endeavooring to get at correct patent you have accurately stated. It has judgment of ile prices allowed, in been in the hands of his father and himself " these bills, it may be proper 10 notice, for seventy-four years; during that time they " that the form of the certificate, at prehave bad, in virine of their patent, a mono- " sent signed by the physician and surpoly of the suppiy of the army with medi- geon general, differs from that which cines and surgical instruments. Mr. Garnier was in use when Sir Clifton Wintringh:m bimselt has never, in any instance, perform- was physician general to the army. His ed any part of the duty; and yet, besides “ certificate states, “ that the medicines - the immense profits derived from the mono

and materials, as recited in the invoices, poly, he, who never has done an hour's du- "“ had, agrecable to their respective dates, ty, who has been proved upon oath never to "been carefully viewed and examined have given a moment's attendance, in any by bim, and that they were found to Way whatever in the public service, has been ' "o be very good; and further, that he in the receipt, and is now in the receipt, of " believes the prices, as far as liis inquithe pay of len shillings a day, as being upon ries conld ascertain, were reasonable, the staff of the army, though he “ Joaths as being rated at the current price " and abhors the very name and nature of user which they bore at the time they were " war!" Sir, fine sentiments will not si- "" supplied by the apothecary general." lence this fact. Talk to me not of the na- “ From this form of certificate we infer, tural effect of a liberal education ;" talk “ that the very articles named in the invoices to me got of Mr. Garnier's generosily ;

" had been examined by the physician gefor, if ever there was a proof of consum- “ neral on the dates of their being placed tmate meanness, it is that which we here have “ in the packages ; and that the current

before us. Good God! I ook at the estates “ rate of price on the days of the supply in and about Wickham; look at the endless was that which was certified by him.church preferment of his sons; look at his “ The present form of the certificate states, splendid mansion and equipage, and his nu- “that the physican general and surgeon gemerous train of menials. Look at all this; neral " have, from lime lo time', care consider that it has all come from the public fully examined the different articles burthens and without one day's service on contained in the account, and that the part of ihe possessor; consider that this they have uniformly found then of the possessor still receives, in pay from that puh.

“ best quality." Whatever interence lic, the sum of ten shillings a clay, as an otti . may be drawn from the words used in cer upon the staff of the arms, in which " this certificate, we learn from Mr. Clarke, office be has never acted for one hour ; and " that there is no security but the intetben insult us, wbo are the payers of this "grity or the parties employed," that man; then insult us again. I say, with an " the articles which have been inspected argument, in favour of his disinterestedness, er are the articles which had been issued foonded on his “ liberal education" and his " from the elaboratory.- -The present ".generous habits !"

certificate further states, iliat baving I should now enter upon a refutation of “ examined the prices charged, and bavthe statement, which you have made with ing taken into consideration the direcTexpect to the profits of Mr. Garnier. But, "" tions received from the treasury, that Sir, yoo are not to learn, that, early in the they were to pay attention to the des present year, a Report, relative to his depart- jay in the payment, they are of opirent, was laid before parliament by the " nion, that ibe apothecary general's Commissioners of Military Inquiry, which " charges to the public are fair and reaReport, as far as it relates to the said profits, " sonable." This part of the present I shall, before I proceed further with my “ certificate does not, like the former ceriiown observations, quote, word for word. ficate, affird a ground for'sir terring that The Commissioners first observe, that there “ the prices which are certified are at the

so eficient check to Mr. Garnier's Ac- current rate of the days of supply ; but counts, either as to quantity, quality, or " the physician general says,"

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checking the apothecary general's "bill for which was communicated to us charges, he always takes into consi- by Mr. Calvert Clarke.. It will be seen,

“ dération the variation in the prices of on an inspection of the two columns in I * the medicines.". On an inspection, “ which the different rates of charge of " however, of the two accounts which we " the apothecary general and of Messrs. • lave procured from the reasury, one of Kempson and Co. are given, that she in which anjounts to about forty-four thou- rales of she first are almost in every " sand five hundred pounds, and the other " instance higher than those of Messrs. " to upwards of seventy-tive thousand Kempson, and, on the aniount of the " pounds, we cannot find, except in one or whole, are 40 per-cent. higher than ** two instances, that there is any variation Theirs : yet Mr. Kempson says, tha " in the prices charged in each year ; not- “ “ bis prices would hare afforded him ** withstanding the supply is extended something handsome in the way of pro" through the whole of the year ; and fil; and that the price of bark, ** we have understood that, in one material particularly, is taken at a high tala "s article at least, that of bark, there was ""ation."The blank bills submitted

a very great variation in its price during "to Messrs. Godfrey and Cooke, and to one of the years. We have remarked “ Messrs. Corbyn and Co., also chemist too, ou an investigation of those bills,

“ and druggists in London, were copid " that the prices charged by the apothecary “ fiom invoices of much larger quantities “ general bave been uniformly admitleil; " than that submitted to Mr. Kempson, * Por tre can tind no alteration or deduction

" and were selected from the apothecary "' in any one of the charges. Yet this al- general's bills for 1804 and 1805. On .“ lowance for the delay in payment is not an inspection of the comparative state “ added by the physician and surgeon ge- ment in the Appendix, of the rates et " neral at the end of the account as a per- " the charge of the apotbecary general " ernlage for a certain specified period on “ and of the gentlemen before named, i s! the sum total of it, but forms part of appears that there is often a differences " the charges on some or all of the items; the prices of these gentleined as between « and must be considered, therefore, as " theniselves, and that, in some instances

being left to the discretion of the apothe- their prices exceed those of the apothe cary general. It is obvious how diffi

cary general; but that, on the whole, 6.culi it must be to check such charges, by “ his prices exceed those of Messrs. Godfre

comparing them with the charges made ana Cooke by 45 per-cent. and of Messis.

by others in the trade. But, conceiving Corhyn and Co. by 18 per cent in the " that the most satisfactory mode of doing year 1804 ; and in 1805 they erceed it! w it would be to compare the total amount first ly 37, and the second by 19 percent " charged by the apothecary general for " Some explanation, however, is neces

certain invoices of medicines furnished sary in this place : it is well known tha: to the army, with the total amount “ the prices which merchants and tradesmen " which others would have charged for “ charge for the articles they furuish are, " the same under similar circumstances, “in a great -measure, regulated by the

we submitted particular invoices of me. quantity furnished, by the credit which " dicines, furnished by the apothecary ge. " is given, and by the risk of payment ; " neral in the years 1804 and 1805, but " and, without a consideration of these " without his prices asfixed, to the con- “ circumstances, no comparison can be " sideration of two or three eminent druge " justly inade. In the present case, w

gists and chemists, and we desired then “ learn from Mr. Cooke, the partner of

to affix the prices which the best articles Mr. Godfrey, that his prices are fixed to of the kind bore in those years. And, on the principle of his customer being a * for a future comparison, we procured “ merchant buying largely, and at si & from the ordnance and transport boards 6 months credit: was the credit," he " the bills for medicines supplied for their says, ' to be extended to 12 months in

use during the years 1804 and 1805 ; the addition (or 18 months altogether) be “ first of these burds being supplied by

" " would have added about 10 per-cent, a druggist, and ihe other by the apoihe- "" to his prices." In comparing, there “ caries company lhe blank invoice “fore, Messis. Godfrey and Cooke's prices " which we submitted to Messrs. Kempo! “ with the apothecary general's, 10 per: • and Co. druggists in London, was, for "cent, ought to be added to the former ;

a regimental chest of medicines firnished for the apothecary geveral's bills were " by ibe apothecary general in 1805, the seidon paid sooner than eightesa monils,

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